changeset 208:b1f88292d482

end of TPA talking head day 2
author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
date Thu, 17 Jun 2021 22:42:15 +0100
parents 1bc6cf72ea70
children 59f4ab0279f7
files HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt
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--- a/HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt	Thu Jun 17 09:40:15 2021 +0100
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@@ -166,13 +166,13 @@
 *Quakers: three keys to unlock what was happening in earliest
 Christianity*
 
- 1) The living word;
-    'This is the word of the Lord'
-    But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture.
-    As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT
-    the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves.
-    Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times.  This is
-     the longest quote of the OT in the NT:  "The days are surely coming..."
+1) *The living word*
+ 'This is the word of the Lord'
+ But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture.
+ As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT
+ the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves.
+ Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times.  This is
+  the longest quote of the OT in the NT:  "The days are surely coming..."
 
    31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a
       new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
@@ -224,6 +224,66 @@
 	      blood of Abel.
 
 	   25 See that you do not refuse the one who is speaking [NRSV]
-  [paused at 23:30]
+
+2) *Jesus: how do you recognise the living word, the true prophet?*
+
+ A sharpness in the way Luke talks about Jesus, particularly the way
+ in which he says you have to see things differently: the old ways of
+ recognition are not capable of seeing the new thing that is emerging.
+
+ Unless you change, you will not perceive
+
+ Prompting people into a new way of seeing -- not about ethics in
+ Luke, about how to live...
+
+ Luke 7:18--21 - questions about John; how can this man be a prophet
+ -- what we you looking to _see_ when you went out to the desert to
+ find John?  You get it wrong: John is mad, I'm a drunkard.  [those
+ are the old ways of seeing].  At the end [7:35] "Wisdom is justified
+ [vindicate] by [all] her children". [NRSV]
+
+ Parable of the Sower explained:  "The seed is the word" [8:11].
+
+ "Then pay attention to how you listen; for to those who have, more
+ will be given; and from those who do not have, even what they seem to
+ have will be taken away" [8:18]
+
+ Who are my mother and my brothers?  "My mother and my brothers are
+ those who hear the word of the Lord and do it." [8:21]
+
+3) *All the faithful may prophecy*
+
+ Pentecost
+ 1 Corinthians 14:
 
-  2) [
+  29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what
+     is said.
+
+  30 If a revelation is made to someone else sitting nearby, let
+     the first person be silent.
+
+  31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and
+     all be encouraged.
+
+  32 And the spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets, [NRSV]
+      
+  Listen with the same spirit as what is being said...
+
+ The priesthood of all the faithful 1 Peter 2:
+
+   9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
+
+Doesn't last: ref. pressures above, _and_ conflict within[/between]
+the communities, bishops 'overseers' and deacons 'servants'
+emerge by the end of the NT era.
+
+Prophecy is unpredictable, elusive: importance of community in
+discernment, emerging in Paul, prophetic testing, what builds up the community.
+
+-----
+
+The problem of discernment emerges: The development of the Spirit-led
+life, but Which of the developments are distortions, which are truly
+spirit-led
+
+Pause at [38:05]