# HG changeset patch # User Henry S. Thompson # Date 1623966135 -3600 # Node ID b1f88292d482243fc1dc2c536d1dd60faad3ff69 # Parent 1bc6cf72ea708fe04158f94d227893d900183577 end of TPA talking head day 2 diff -r 1bc6cf72ea70 -r b1f88292d482 HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt --- a/HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt Thu Jun 17 09:40:15 2021 +0100 +++ b/HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt Thu Jun 17 22:42:15 2021 +0100 @@ -166,13 +166,13 @@ *Quakers: three keys to unlock what was happening in earliest Christianity* - 1) The living word; - 'This is the word of the Lord' - But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture. - As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT - the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves. - Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is - the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..." +1) *The living word* + 'This is the word of the Lord' + But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture. + As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT + the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves. + Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is + the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..." 31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. @@ -224,6 +224,66 @@ blood of Abel. 25 See that you do not refuse the one who is speaking [NRSV] - [paused at 23:30] + +2) *Jesus: how do you recognise the living word, the true prophet?* + + A sharpness in the way Luke talks about Jesus, particularly the way + in which he says you have to see things differently: the old ways of + recognition are not capable of seeing the new thing that is emerging. + + Unless you change, you will not perceive + + Prompting people into a new way of seeing -- not about ethics in + Luke, about how to live... + + Luke 7:18--21 - questions about John; how can this man be a prophet + -- what we you looking to _see_ when you went out to the desert to + find John? You get it wrong: John is mad, I'm a drunkard. [those + are the old ways of seeing]. At the end [7:35] "Wisdom is justified + [vindicate] by [all] her children". [NRSV] + + Parable of the Sower explained: "The seed is the word" [8:11]. + + "Then pay attention to how you listen; for to those who have, more + will be given; and from those who do not have, even what they seem to + have will be taken away" [8:18] + + Who are my mother and my brothers? "My mother and my brothers are + those who hear the word of the Lord and do it." [8:21] + +3) *All the faithful may prophecy* + + Pentecost + 1 Corinthians 14: - 2) [ + 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what + is said. + + 30 If a revelation is made to someone else sitting nearby, let + the first person be silent. + + 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and + all be encouraged. + + 32 And the spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets, [NRSV] + + Listen with the same spirit as what is being said... + + The priesthood of all the faithful 1 Peter 2: + + 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, + +Doesn't last: ref. pressures above, _and_ conflict within[/between] +the communities, bishops 'overseers' and deacons 'servants' +emerge by the end of the NT era. + +Prophecy is unpredictable, elusive: importance of community in +discernment, emerging in Paul, prophetic testing, what builds up the community. + +----- + +The problem of discernment emerges: The development of the Spirit-led +life, but Which of the developments are distortions, which are truly +spirit-led + +Pause at [38:05]