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1 Rough notes of a meeting at 7 Victoria Terrace
2 8 November 2024
3 Henry S. Thompson
4
5 Present: Rachel Fitzgerald (RF), Madeleine Harding (MH), Katrina
6 McCrea (KM), John Phillips (JP), Majk Stokes (MS), Henry Thompson (HT)
7
1 KM welcomed us to a meeting to support Majk Stokes after the outcome 8 KM welcomed us to a meeting to support Majk Stokes after the outcome
2 of the appointment process. 9 of the appointment process.
3 10
4 KM invited Majk to share how he was feeling.
5 11
6 Assistant Manager for 12 years, and Acting Manager for 4 months, 12 KM invited MS to share how he was feeling.
7 promotion was the obvious next step.
8 13
9 'New perspective?' Discounts all the hard work and experience, counted against to me 14 MS: Assistant Manager for 12 years, and Acting Manager for 4 months,
15 promotion was the obvious next step, so very disappointed.
10 16
11 Still quite raw. 17 MS: 'New perspective?' Discounts all the hard work and experience,
18 feels like this counted against me instead of being a positive
12 19
13 Delay in email at the time. 20 MS: Still quite raw.
14 21
15 Signalled interest in the job at the beginning of the summer, wasn't 22 MS: Long delay in reply to my email at the time was not appreciated.
16 given any help or feedback at all.> 23
24 MS: Signalled interest in the job at the beginning of the summer, wasn't
25 given any help at all.
17 26
18 -------- 27 --------
19 28
20 KM: Full and open procedure, equal treatment: In the end panel choose 29 KM: Full and open procedure, equal treatment: In the end panel choose
21 more depth and breadth of experience in person management and venue 30 more depth and breadth of experience in person management and venue
22 management. 31 management.
23 32
24 Giving feedback even now, panel hopes is useful going forewords. 33 KM: Giving feedback even now, panel hopes is useful going forewords.
25 34
26 Personal feedback should have happened right away, you were owed that, 35 KM: Personal feedback should have happened right away, you were owed that,
27 and the panel apologises. 36 and the panel apologises.
28 37
29 Absence of Majk's line manager meant the person normally responsible 38 RF: Absence of Majk's line manager meant the person normally responsible
30 for helping him wasn't there, and MC failed to step in and do that 39 for helping him wasn't there, and MC failed to step in and do that
31 job. 40 job.
32 41
33 JP: New perspective? Something you were looking for? No, not going 42 HT: As MC Convenor, my responsibiity, and I apologise for failing at
34 in, it was something that emerged in the interview process. 43 that.
35 44
36 Coming into a new situation allows new ideas 45 JP: New perspective? Something the panel were looking for?
37 46
38 _But_ new perspective wasn't the starting point, or the primary point. 47 KM: No, not going in, it was something that emerged in the interview
48 process. Coming into a new situation allows new ideas. _But_ new
49 perspective wasn't the starting point, or the primary point.
39 50
40 M&B interviewed very well, but so did the other candidates. We had a 51 KM: MS & Beth Clarke (BC) interviewed very well, but so did the other
41 very hard time making the decision. 52 candidates. We had a very hard time making the decision.
42 53
43 Majk still struggling to see why he and Beth couldn't have done this 54 MS: still struggling to see why he and BC couldn't have done this
44 as well or better. 55 as well or better.
45 56
46 And it now looks like I'm being pushed back to Ass't Mgr and showing 57 MS: And it now looks like I'm being pushed back to Ass't Mgr and showing
47 how everything works, that's hard to take. 58 how everything works, that's hard to take. At the very least I should
59 continue to be paid at the higher rate
48 60
49 Delay in panel response was bad, but it was _very_ hard to reply in 61 RF: Delay in panel response was bad, but it was _very_ hard to reply
50 writing. Agreed that retaining Acting pay for the first month a 62 in writing. Agreed that retaining Acting Manager pay for the first
51 reasonable request. 63 month is a reasonable request.
52 64
53 Forward: 65 KM: Looking Forward
54 66
55 Miranda changed to not being paid for lunch break 67 MS: The fact that Miranda changed to my not being paid for lunch break
68 means I'm very nearly working a full week
56 69
57 Like to go down to a two-day week. Three monhts in? Start in January 70 MS: I would like to go down to a two-day week. Maybe after three
71 months of helping new managers settle in? Start in January would be
58 better? 72 better?
59 73
60 Like to have a more environmental or creative focus: recycling/energy 74 MS: I'd like to have a more environmental or creative focus:
61 efficiency aspect perhaps. C-venues were a mess, they don't learn from 75 * recycling/energy efficiency aspect perhaps
62 their mistakes, Greenside would have been a better bet, make my job 76 * C-venues were a mess, they don't learn from their mistakes,
63 more about planning for and managing "Venue 40", that would be much 77 Greenside would have been a better bet, make my job more about
64 more satisfying. That's obviously a whole conversation to be ha 78 planning for and managing "Venue 40", that would be much more
79 satisfying. That's obviously a whole conversation to be had.
65 80
66 So having a project, taking the lead on something, for example V40 or 81 MS: So having a project, taking the lead on something, for example V40 or
67 environmental, that would be great. 82 environmental, that would be great.
68 83
69 RF: New managers would be really excited to hear that. 84 RF: New managers would be really excited to hear that.
70 85
71 Easy to lose sight of the environmental stuff, so having someone 86 RF: Easy to lose sight of the environmental stuff, so having someone
72 actually pushing that on staff will also this is a great time to get 87 actually pushing that on staff will be good. Also this is a great time
73 that going. 88 to get that going.
74 89
75 Sabbatical? Maybe... 90 RF: Sabbatical? Certainly possible.
76 91
77 Beth's thoughts? 92 JP: Beth's thoughts?
78 93
79 Not the historical connection, so not the same emotional investment, 94 MS: Not the historical connection with the Meeting that I had, so not
80 angry on Majk's behalf. Would have found ways to do the job well. 95 the same emotional investment. Mostly angry on Majk's behalf. Would
96 have found ways to do the job well.
81 97
82 Not here because this meeting is for Majk, looking at other avenues 98 MS: Not here today because this meeting is for Majk, looking at other
83 for new work. 99 avenues for new work.
84 100
85 [Beth not interested in pursuing the casual post] 101 [Beth not interested in pursuing a casual job at the Meeting House]
86 102
87 There's an open door for further discussion. 103 KM: Wrapping up:
88 104
89 M proposes to support S&A for up to 3 months, paid for it, go down to 2 days, 105 * There's an open door for further discussion.
90 considered for sabbatical.
91 106
92 MC will get back to you ASAP. 107 * MS will provide induction for new Managers for period of up to 3 months
93 108
94 M will let S&A know that he applied for the job, but has no animus 109 MS requests
110
111 * Continue at current Acting Manager pay rate during induction
112
113 * Then go down to 2 days
114
115 * Be considered for sabbatical later in 2025/6
116
117 MC will get back to MS on this ASAP.
118
119 MS will let S&A know that he applied for the job, but has no animus
95 towards them personally. 120 towards them personally.
96 121
97 JP&MH are happy to continue to support. 122 JP&MH are happy to continue to support MS.
98 123