--- a/but_a_way.xml	Mon Dec 11 14:03:28 2017 -0500
+++ b/but_a_way.xml	Tue Dec 12 11:44:07 2017 -0500
@@ -39,32 +39,66 @@
 distinguish <emph>us</emph>, to try to shift the ground of looking for language
 that we can unite with, that works for us, from belief to practice, from
 ortho<emph>doxy</emph> to ortho<emph>praxy</emph>.</p>
-   <p>I don't claim originality in suggesting this:  I think it's at the heart
-of what Ben Pink Dandelion has been writing and saying for some time, and I'd
+   <p>I don't claim originality in suggesting this:  John Punshon, as quoted in
+QF&amp;P 20.18, pretty much writes exactly this in 1967, and I think it's at the heart
+of what Ben Pink Dandelion has been writing and saying for some time. I'd
 be surprised if there weren't others who will read this and say "But that's
 what I've been saying for <emph>years</emph>".  I can only apologise for not
 having read more widely or, increasingly likely, that I have simply forgotten
 what I <emph>have</emph> read.  My excuse for writing this none-the-less is to
 try to encourage people to read <emph>God, words and us</emph>, but avoid the
 not unreasonable conclusion from doing so that
-belief-talk is what matters.</p>
+belief-talk is what matters most.</p>
   </div>
   <div>
    <title>We already know this</title>
-   <p>Listing a few well-known phrases will help me make my point</p>
+   <p>Quoting a few well-known phrases will help me make my point:</p>
    <list type="naked">
     <item>Let your life speak</item>
     <item>Be patterns, be examples</item>
     <item>A testimony to the grace of God as shown in the life of ...</item>
+    <item>A humble learner in the school of Christ</item>
     <item>[For Quakers] Christianity is not a notion, but a way</item>
     <item>As Friends we commit ourselves to a way of worship</item>
     <item>Come regularly to meeting for worship</item>
+    <item>... in the manner of Friends</item>
+    <item>Swear not at all</item>
+    <item>Live simply</item>
+    <item>[need a quote for equality/justice testimony]</item>
+    <item>[L]ive in the virtue of that life and power that takes away the occasion of all wars</item>
    </list>
    <p>And an old family story:</p>
    <list type="defn">
     <item term="visitor">Are you a Christian?</item>
     <item term="host">[pause] You'll have to ask my neighbour</item>
    </list>
+   <p>This emphasis on what we <emph>do</emph> as Quakers puts us, according to
+Karen Armstrong, right back at the heart of the origins of the great monotheist religions:</p>
+   <display><p>"Religion as defined by the great sages of India, China, and the Middle East was not a notional activity but a practical one; it did not require belief in a set of doctrines but rather hard, disciplined work..."</p>
+   <p><emph>The Case for God</emph>, 2000</p></display>
+   <p>Armstrong suggests that contemporary Judaism and Islam have retained
+their original self-definitions centred on orthopraxy ("uniformity of religious
+practice"), whereas Christian denominations in the
+main have shifted much more towards defining themselves in terms of orthodoxy ("correct belief").</p>
+   <p>It's not surprising that, surrounded as we are by churches for whom
+orthodoxy is fundamental, as well as strident parodies of all religious people
+as little better (indeed more dangerous) than flat-earthers, we should have
+fallen into adopting their language for our own internal discourse.</p>
+  </div>
+  <div>
+   <title>And this [we know] experimentally</title>
+   <p>So, what's the problem?  </p>
+  </div>
+  <div>
+   <title>There's nothing wrong with talking about belief</title>
+   <p>It's natural to want to dig in to <emph>why</emph> we do what we do.  And
+it's not surprising that we struggle to come up with agreed answers.  The key
+point to hold on to is <emph>that doesn't undermine the validity of the
+doings</emph>.  Or, rather, it only undermines our faith if we <emph>let</emph>
+it.  If we restricted ourselves to only doing things if we understood why they
+worked, we'd have very little left.  And, as the previous section tried to
+explain, we know that what we do <emph>does</emph> work.  So sure, keep trying
+to figure out why.  But meantime, keep cheerfully practicing.</p>
   </div>
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 </doc>