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author | Henry Thompson <ht@markup.co.uk> |
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date | Tue, 11 Jun 2024 21:26:09 +0100 |
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HT: Barclay 19.41 HT: Tell your Quaker story MB: At Univ, in early 1990s, moved into a new flat, I had agreed to take over that running of the EU Green Society. My flatmate Anna [Levin] agreed a deal, that she would go to GS mtgs, if I would go to Quaker meeting, which was Victoria Terrace. Soon I felt the "secret power" and go "knitted in". Got to knwo YF, which was a help in what was then a pretty large Meeting. Even after Anna moved away, I kept going to Meeting, and after a year or so BCurr asked if I'd think about becoming a Member. I've been thinking about it ever since. While in A'dam, went to MfW there. Read more, and got more of a sense of how the Quaker thing worked, than I had a need to have done in a big Meeting. Moved to Porty in 2009, joined the very new Meeting, and shifted from "going to" CEdin, I was "part of" PMM. That meant [doing more] I like the "secret power" quote Did the Becoming Friends course, which among other things meant I read the "requirements" for becoming a Member for the first time. "at home and .." spoke to me very deeply. "accept the fundamental elements.." was new to me. Grew up in a classic Church of England agnostic family, not until Quakerism recognised an experience of something "beyond the physical" At home with "pratical expression of inward conviction" Struggled with "accept the manner of Quaker corporate worship and..." Turned to Quaker history, which led to a seeing a flowering of people's renegotiation of the relationship of people to the Divine, and that it was what allowed our special Which in turn lead to us being here today: MfCA is as vital a part of being a Quaker, and that means I'm ready to not just attend LM and AM, but to attend _as a Member_. JD: How were your anarchist inclinations at odds with our goverance? MB: Grind slow, but exceedingly fine. Quaker business is very _slow_. [Lightbulb changing and other jokes] Ministry, here, now, without any qualification feels very different to me. HT: Like MB: We started with "secret power" and knit.. I thought I was coming to a gathering of friendly people who were a bit spiritual, and it takes a while, years, to detect the secret seeking for spirtual guidance that we shared. You're not just sitting with a bunch of like-minded people, rather you may find what someone else's spiritual path may not be going where yours is. But that's actually a very important aspect of Quakerism. MfW and the QBusMe are a great resolution of the Protestant dilemma, that there is no barrier between God and us. Right Ordering does belong as a religious test for being Quaker. [HT and MB discuss theory of membership] Environmental Protest Workshop on decision making, democratic process, anarchist consensus decision process, ceding authority to someone in a protest in order to make us safe, you take it for all of us and it is by definition right. So the same for MCA: you aren't there, you uphold them for the decision the make. JD: I agree about the respnsibilty/rights relationship, but you can also take initiative [ref joke] MB: Musselb members are interested in a 3rd weekly meeting, and although I'd rather that didn't happen, I would uphold them and attend if they decide to go ahead. Just because I don't want to organise it doesn't mean I won't support them if they do. [A complicated history] MB: My love of Quakers, ref. Anna and the Green Party story. There was a MFA about same-sex marriage, when (before York) a male couple had asked for a ceremony of commitment, and it was a difficult MFA. And the SGP was in some internal difficulties, where when you won a vote on a problematic issue, if you 'won' the vote, you tried you best to get rid of the losers, whereas the MCA worked very hard to support _all_ the people there, to respect their pain and acknowledge it, respecting that of God in the people on the "other side". We are happy to recommend membership for MB, it's "a full stop on my process of discernment on whether I should become a Member" and it fills me with joy to join in the recommendation.