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BPD getting started, through 17:04
author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
date Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:15:19 +0100
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477 White _A Visitation of Heavenly Love_ 1660 477 White _A Visitation of Heavenly Love_ 1660
478 http://www.qhpress.org/cgi-bin/esrlink.cgi?doc=E27763157&name=dorothy.white 478 http://www.qhpress.org/cgi-bin/esrlink.cgi?doc=E27763157&name=dorothy.white
479 [page 6] 479 [page 6]
480 http://dqc.esr.earlham.edu:8080/xmlmm/docButtonB?XMLMMWhat=builtPage&XMLMMWhere=E27763157.P00000010-6&XMLMMBeanName=docBean&XMLMMNextPage=/printBuiltPageBrowse.jsp 480 http://dqc.esr.earlham.edu:8080/xmlmm/docButtonB?XMLMMWhat=builtPage&XMLMMWhere=E27763157.P00000010-6&XMLMMBeanName=docBean&XMLMMNextPage=/printBuiltPageBrowse.jsp
481 481
482 "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples [us], 482
483 and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and 483 "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples
484 traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in 484 [us], and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and
485 observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within 485 traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in
486 you." James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_ 486 observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within
487 (from prison, printed 1659) 487 you." James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_
488 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html 488 (from prison, printed 1659)
489 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html
490
491 [Note also, and c.f. my earlier understanding of Barclay on the Day of Visitation,
492 that QHP's vocabulary notes to Barclay's apology say
493
494 "_day_: period of time (not necessarily a calendar day)" ]
495 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/index.html#vii.7
489 496
490 Early Friends viewed heaven primarily as a matter of (intimate) 497 Early Friends viewed heaven primarily as a matter of (intimate)
491 relationship with and participation in God. 498 relationship with and participation in God.
492 499
493 "But his kingdom in this world, in which he chiefly delights to walk 500 "But his kingdom in this world, in which he chiefly delights to walk
809 When this didn't happen (for both groups), and the state fights back, 816 When this didn't happen (for both groups), and the state fights back,
810 what do groups do wrt the two kingdoms view? You see yourselves as a 817 what do groups do wrt the two kingdoms view? You see yourselves as a
811 "faithful remnant", managing your boundaries, and keeping yourselves 818 "faithful remnant", managing your boundaries, and keeping yourselves
812 as perserving the purity of their alternative vision, and so taking 819 as perserving the purity of their alternative vision, and so taking
813 strict control of membership and members' behaviour, "in the meantime". 820 strict control of membership and members' behaviour, "in the meantime".
821
822
823 ========== Ben Pink Dandelion - _Later Quakers_ =========
824
825 Different churches have different ways to wait faithfully, in the
826 meantime, prior to the end time.
827
828 For early Friends, we've come to the end of waiting, the Future has become the Now
829
830 The New Covenant has come in to play.
831
832 The rest are being held back by their ministers, so no tithes.
833
834 The Christian calendar is not needed, the liturgy of the Mass is not
835 needed, they were part of the needs of meantime, focussed on
836 remembering the First Coming. Ref. Corinthians 11:26
837
838 "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim
839 the Lord's death _until he comes_." 1 Cor. 11:26 NRSV [emphasis
840 added]
841
842 Our communion is Revelation 3:20; Revelation 8:1
843
844 "Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice
845 and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you
846 with me." Rev. 3:20 NRSV
847
848 "When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven
849 for about half an hour." Rev. 8:1 NRSV
850
851 No need for separated buildings/times/priests/outward sacraments.
852
853 A Second Coming liturgy, _after_ the reunion of Heaven and Earth,
854 _after_ Jesus has come.
855
856 No particular date, it is _unfolding_, a "realising eschatology".
857
858 There's a debate in Quaker studies as to when a second period starts,
859 call it Restoration Quakerism. Quaker Act of 1662, or the shift in
860 the Quaker message that begins in 1666, or maybe 1656 with the
861 beginning of corporate testing, a slightly less prophetic Quakerism
862 (ref. Moore and Allen). Joke: perhaps the first period only lasted a
863 couple of weeks.
864
865 Fox goes into some despair in 1658 when Cromwell dies, but recovers in
866 1659 cheers up a bit.
867
868 C.f. 1656 A Trumpet sounded forth out of Zion, with 23 targets, the
869 first is Oliver Cromwell.
870
871 Paused at 17:04