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BPD getting started, through 17:04
author | Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> |
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date | Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:15:19 +0100 |
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--- a/HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt Sat Jul 10 19:18:46 2021 +0100 +++ b/HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt Tue Jul 13 19:15:19 2021 +0100 @@ -479,13 +479,20 @@ [page 6] http://dqc.esr.earlham.edu:8080/xmlmm/docButtonB?XMLMMWhat=builtPage&XMLMMWhere=E27763157.P00000010-6&XMLMMBeanName=docBean&XMLMMNextPage=/printBuiltPageBrowse.jsp - "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples [us], - and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and - traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in - observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within - you." James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_ - (from prison, printed 1659) - http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html + + "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples + [us], and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and + traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in + observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within + you." James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_ + (from prison, printed 1659) + http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html + +[Note also, and c.f. my earlier understanding of Barclay on the Day of Visitation, +that QHP's vocabulary notes to Barclay's apology say + + "_day_: period of time (not necessarily a calendar day)" ] + http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/index.html#vii.7 Early Friends viewed heaven primarily as a matter of (intimate) relationship with and participation in God. @@ -811,3 +818,54 @@ "faithful remnant", managing your boundaries, and keeping yourselves as perserving the purity of their alternative vision, and so taking strict control of membership and members' behaviour, "in the meantime". + + +========== Ben Pink Dandelion - _Later Quakers_ ========= + +Different churches have different ways to wait faithfully, in the +meantime, prior to the end time. + +For early Friends, we've come to the end of waiting, the Future has become the Now + +The New Covenant has come in to play. + +The rest are being held back by their ministers, so no tithes. + +The Christian calendar is not needed, the liturgy of the Mass is not +needed, they were part of the needs of meantime, focussed on +remembering the First Coming. Ref. Corinthians 11:26 + + "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim + the Lord's death _until he comes_." 1 Cor. 11:26 NRSV [emphasis + added] + +Our communion is Revelation 3:20; Revelation 8:1 + + "Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice + and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you + with me." Rev. 3:20 NRSV + + "When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven + for about half an hour." Rev. 8:1 NRSV + +No need for separated buildings/times/priests/outward sacraments. + +A Second Coming liturgy, _after_ the reunion of Heaven and Earth, +_after_ Jesus has come. + +No particular date, it is _unfolding_, a "realising eschatology". + +There's a debate in Quaker studies as to when a second period starts, +call it Restoration Quakerism. Quaker Act of 1662, or the shift in +the Quaker message that begins in 1666, or maybe 1656 with the +beginning of corporate testing, a slightly less prophetic Quakerism +(ref. Moore and Allen). Joke: perhaps the first period only lasted a +couple of weeks. + +Fox goes into some despair in 1658 when Cromwell dies, but recovers in +1659 cheers up a bit. + +C.f. 1656 A Trumpet sounded forth out of Zion, with 23 targets, the +first is Oliver Cromwell. + +Paused at 17:04