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5 <head> | 5 <head> |
6 <title>Report to Area Meeting from the Future of Victoria Terrace Working Group</title> | 6 <title>Report to Area Meeting from the Future of Victoria Terrace Working Group</title> |
7 <title><emph color="red">DRAFT: contains contributions received through 31/5</emph></title> | 7 <title><emph color="red">DRAFT: contains contributions received through 1/6</emph></title> |
8 <author>Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding, Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, | 8 <author>Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding, Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, |
9 Laurie Naumann, | 9 Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade, |
10 Eileen Schott, Henry S. Thompson</author> | 10 Eileen Schott, Henry S. Thompson</author> |
11 <date>1 June 2009</date> | 11 <date>2 June 2009</date> |
12 <style>td.t, td.s {text-align: right} | 12 <style>td.t, td.s {text-align: right} |
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16 table {border-collapse: collapse} | 16 table {border-collapse: collapse} |
391 <tr class="ti"> | 391 <tr class="ti"> |
392 <td><name>Exceptional Expenditures</name></td> | 392 <td><name>Exceptional Expenditures</name></td> |
393 </tr> | 393 </tr> |
394 <tr> | 394 <tr> |
395 <td>Redevelopment of Foyer</td> | 395 <td>Redevelopment of Foyer</td> |
396 <td class="n">[6]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">5.8</td><td class="t">34.7</td><td class="t">29.4</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td> | 396 <td class="n">[6]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">5.8</td><td class="t">34.7</td><td class="t">29.4</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td> |
397 </tr> | 397 </tr> |
398 <tr> | 398 <tr> |
399 <td>External Stonework</td> | 399 <td>External Stonework</td> |
400 <td class="n">[7]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">29.7</td> | 400 <td class="n">[7]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">29.7</td> |
401 </tr> | 401 </tr> |
402 <tr> | 402 <tr> |
403 <td>Consultancy</td> | 403 <td>Consultancy</td> |
404 <td class="n">[8]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">8.3</td> | 404 <td class="n">[8]</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">8.3</td> |
405 </tr> | 405 </tr> |
406 <tr class="t"> | 406 <tr class="t"> |
407 <td class="s">Total</td> | 407 <td class="s">Total</td> |
408 <td></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">5.8</td><td class="t">34.7</td><td class="t">29.4</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">38.0</td> | 408 <td></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">5.8</td><td class="t">34.7</td><td class="t">29.4</td><td class="t"></td><td class="t"></td><td class="t">38.0</td> |
409 </tr> | 409 </tr> |
410 </tbody> | 410 </tbody> |
411 </table> | 411 </table> |
412 <list type="enum"> | 412 <list type="enum"> |
413 <item>Staff costs relate to usage of the building, the changing roles of staff and increased remuneration.</item> | 413 <item>Staff costs relate to usage of the building, the changing roles of staff and increased remuneration.</item> |
520 </figure> | 520 </figure> |
521 <figure> | 521 <figure> |
522 <p>??? didn't get anything for this from Madeleine ???</p> | 522 <p>??? didn't get anything for this from Madeleine ???</p> |
523 <caption>How long the lets were for and the number each week</caption> | 523 <caption>How long the lets were for and the number each week</caption> |
524 </figure> | 524 </figure> |
525 <p>In all there were 132 lets over this 6-week period. | |
526 Costs will depend on size of group, length of time they needed space and which room(s) they rent. There is also a cost for refreshments, including tea, coffee and/or lunch.</p> | |
525 <p>It was not possible to know from the non-Quaker groups how they rated the premises. However there were over thirty groups using the building which feels very positive.</p> | 527 <p>It was not possible to know from the non-Quaker groups how they rated the premises. However there were over thirty groups using the building which feels very positive.</p> |
526 <p>It is unclear if we should or could increase income by raising the letting rates. Trustees are aware the lettings levels have fallen, especially daytime use. A possible reason for this could be greater competition in the area for the level of provision we offer. Our letting charges are comparable with other churches/halls in the area.</p> | 528 <p>It is unclear if we should or could increase income by raising the letting rates. Trustees are aware the lettings levels have fallen, especially daytime use. A possible reason for this could be greater competition in the area for the level of provision we offer. Our letting charges are comparable with other churches/halls in the area.</p> |
527 <p>On the plus side it is an advantage having managers on site and we | 529 <p>On the plus side it is an advantage having managers on site and we |
528 have a good informative website.</p> | 530 have a good informative website.</p> |
529 <p>At the end of the day the staff are not here to run a business but to be the face of Quakerism in Edinburgh.</p> | 531 <p>At the end of the day the staff are not here to run a business but to be the face of Quakerism in Edinburgh.</p> |
675 to | 677 to |
676 5.00 p.m. | 678 5.00 p.m. |
677 </item> | 679 </item> |
678 </list> | 680 </list> |
679 <p> | 681 <p> |
680 Several staff work flexibly to cover these periods. | 682 Several staff work flexibly to cover these periods: there is always someone at |
683 the front desk when the building is open. | |
681 </p> | 684 </p> |
682 <p> | 685 <p> |
683 Reasons for reducing the opening hours : reducing costs- heating, lighting and staff cover and reducing wear and tear on the fabric of the building | 686 Reasons for reducing the opening hours : reducing costs- heating, lighting and staff cover and reducing wear and tear on the fabric of the building |
684 </p> | 687 </p> |
685 <p> | 688 <p> |
686 Reasons for not reducing opening hours: reduced lettings and reduced income, | 689 Reasons for not reducing opening hours: reduced lettings and reduced income, as |
687 </p> | 690 well as reduced facilities for Quakers and non-Quakers using the building and reduced opportunities for outreach. |
688 <p> | |
689 reduced facilities for Quakers and non-Quakers using the building and reduced opportunities for outreach. | |
690 </p> | |
691 <p> | |
692 Note - Lettings are down on previous years and staff costs are higher. | |
693 </p> | 691 </p> |
694 <p> | 692 <p> |
695 Hospitality, information and outreach: the Meeting House is centrally located and attracts many visitors – reduced opening hours would limit contact with the public, it may affect bookings if enquiries are not answered in person (rather than on-line or by leaving a message on an answer-phone) and may reduce first-timers coming to Meeting for Worship. | 693 Hospitality, information and outreach: the Meeting House is centrally located and attracts many visitors – reduced opening hours would limit contact with the public, it may affect bookings if enquiries are not answered in person (rather than on-line or by leaving a message on an answer-phone) and may reduce first-timers coming to Meeting for Worship. |
696 </p> | 694 </p> |
697 <p> | 695 <p> |
698 Other alternatives – all of which would reduce costs, reduce income and contact with the general public, visitors, newcomers and passers-by therefore reducing outreach opportunities. | 696 Other alternatives – all of which would reduce costs, reduce income and contact with the general public, visitors, newcomers and passers-by therefore reducing outreach opportunities:</p> |
699 </p> | |
700 <list> | 697 <list> |
701 <item> | 698 <item> |
702 Reduce activities to Quaker activities only – this would reduce opening hours and lettings and increase costs per capita. | 699 Reduce activities to Quaker activities only – this would reduce opening hours and lettings and increase costs per capita.</item> |
703 </item> | |
704 <item> | 700 <item> |
705 The Rain Forest Café - the café could go and/or drinks and snacks alone could be provided for visitors. | 701 The Rain Forest Café - the café could go and/or drinks and snacks alone could be provided for visitors. |
706 </item> | 702 </item> |
707 <item> | 703 <item> |
708 The Meeting House as a Festival Venue – events/opening hours could be reduced and income would be reduced. | 704 The Meeting House as a Festival Venue – events/opening hours could be reduced and income would be reduced. |
710 <item> | 706 <item> |
711 Reduce or cancel Christmas lunch and other social activities involving the preparation of food and serving of food and drink. | 707 Reduce or cancel Christmas lunch and other social activities involving the preparation of food and serving of food and drink. |
712 </item> | 708 </item> |
713 </list> | 709 </list> |
714 <p> | 710 <p> |
715 It is clear from our initial consultations that radical changes would change the nature of the Meeting and affect the users of the building. | 711 It is clear from our initial consultations that any significant reduction in activity would change the feel of the Meeting and affect the users of the building. |
716 </p> | 712 </p> |
717 </div> | 713 </div> |
718 <div> | 714 <div> |
719 <title>Steady On</title> | 715 <title>Steady On</title> |
720 <p> | 716 <p> |
721 The meeting could continue to be open for Quaker and non-Quaker activities but we could look for savings and raise money to meet the cost of essential maintenance and upgrading of facilities. | 717 The meeting could continue to be open for Quaker and non-Quaker activities but we could look for savings and raise money to meet the cost of essential maintenance and upgrading of facilities. |
722 </p> | 718 </p> |
723 <list> | 719 <list> |
724 <item> | 720 <item> |
725 The kitchen does not meet Health and Safety standards to prepare and serve meat to the public. An alternative is to serve vegetarian food only and ask for donations from the public. | 721 The kitchen does not meet Health and Safety standards to prepare and serve meat |
726 </item> | 722 to the public. An alternative is to serve vegetarian food only and ask for |
723 donations from the public. Trustees are actively exploring this area: the | |
724 working group does not feel that the exact nature of the trade-offs between | |
725 regulation, enforcement and kinds of use has yet been clearly established, so | |
726 that an informed decision can be taken with respect to the kitchen in particular.</item> | |
727 <item> | 727 <item> |
728 We could plan for the future to include a schedule of works - upgrading basic facilities - the windows, toilets, heating and consider what is required to improve the layout of the rooms and food preparation facilities as they affect members of the meeting and lettings. | 728 We could plan for the future to include a schedule of works - upgrading basic facilities - the windows, toilets, heating and consider what is required to improve the layout of the rooms and food preparation facilities as they affect members of the meeting and lettings. |
729 </item> | 729 </item> |
730 </list> | 730 </list> |
731 <p> | |
732 The group looked at selling the building, renting premises and relocating to the outskirts of the city and these are not viable options. | |
733 </p> | |
734 </div> | 731 </div> |
735 <div> | 732 <div> |
736 <title>Do More</title> | 733 <title>Do More</title> |
737 <p> | 734 <p> |
738 The Quakers and non-Quakers who responded to our questionnaire and Worship Sharing sessions said they value the building, its central location and what is available in the Meeting House. Successive Meeting House Managers have continually improved the appearance of the Meeting House. Doing more in the Meeting House and with the Meeting House could include | 735 The Quakers and non-Quakers who responded to our questionnaire and Worship Sharing sessions said they value the building, its central location and what is available in the Meeting House. Successive Meeting House Managers have continually improved the appearance of the Meeting House. Doing more in the Meeting House and with the Meeting House could include: |
739 </p> | 736 </p> |
740 <list> | 737 <list> |
741 <item> | 738 <item> |
742 Offering more activities/learning opportunities on Quaker concerns to Quakers and non-Quakers | 739 Offering more activities/learning opportunities on Quaker concerns to Quakers and non-Quakers |
743 </item> | 740 </item> |
765 <title>Leave Victoria Terrace</title> | 762 <title>Leave Victoria Terrace</title> |
766 <list> | 763 <list> |
767 <item>Own premises (build/refit/share)</item> | 764 <item>Own premises (build/refit/share)</item> |
768 <item>Hire premises (Sole tenant/share)</item> | 765 <item>Hire premises (Sole tenant/share)</item> |
769 </list> | 766 </list> |
770 <p>One of the prime motivations for leaving Stafford Street was that though central it was not 'visible' to the public; it had no lettings of rooms, no display windows and no involvement in the Festival. These would therefore be looked for in any alternative</p> | 767 <p>One of the prime motivations for leaving Stafford Street was that though |
771 <p>premises.</p> | 768 central it was not 'visible' to the public; it had no lettings of rooms, no |
769 display windows and no involvement in the Festival. Whether these are wanted in | |
770 any replacement should therefore be looked for in any candidate alternative premises.</p> | |
772 <p>If we decide to sell Victoria Terrace in order to buy, lease or | 771 <p>If we decide to sell Victoria Terrace in order to buy, lease or |
773 even share somewhere else it would probably be necessary to sell also the two flats. [see sections ]</p> | 772 even share somewhere else it would probably be necessary to sell also the |
774 <list type="enum"> | 773 two flats. 7 Victoria Terrace was valued at only £160,000 <emph>before</emph> the current slump |
775 <item>Minimum accommodation for our own use only would be: | 774 in property prices, at which time the two flats together were valued <emph color="red">at ???</emph></p> |
776 <list> | 775 <p>We explored the cost of moving elsewhere. Minimum accommodation for our own use only would be:</p> |
776 <list> | |
777 <item>1 Meeting Room</item> | 777 <item>1 Meeting Room</item> |
778 <item>1 Children's Room</item> | 778 <item>1 Children's Room</item> |
779 <item>Library</item> | 779 <item>Library</item> |
780 <item>Kitchen (for heating up only)</item> | 780 <item>Kitchen (for heating up only)</item> |
781 <item>Lavatories</item> | 781 <item>Lavatories</item> |
782 <item>Office (?)</item></list></item> | 782 <item>Office (?)</item></list> |
783 <item>Preferably, for our own needs and possible lettings or sharing, | 783 <p>Preferably, for our own needs and possible lettings or sharing, |
784 we would be looking for: | 784 we would be looking for:</p> |
785 <list> | 785 <list> |
786 <item>2 Meeting Rooms</item> | 786 <item>2 Meeting Rooms</item> |
787 <item>2 Children's Rooms</item> | 787 <item>2 Children's Rooms</item> |
788 <item>Kitchen (for cooking)</item> | 788 <item>Kitchen (for cooking)</item> |
789 <item>Library</item> | 789 <item>Library</item> |
790 <item>Lavatories</item> | 790 <item>Lavatories</item> |
791 <item>2 Committee rooms</item> | 791 <item>2 Committee rooms</item> |
792 <item> Office</item> | 792 <item> Office</item> |
793 </list></item> | |
794 </list> | 793 </list> |
795 <p>A central location would be in the area bounded by High Street to Queen Street | 794 <p>A central location would be in the area bounded by High Street to Queen Street |
796 and Queensferry Street. to Leith Street.</p> | 795 and Queensferry Street. to Leith Street.</p> |
797 <p>Alternatively, we might have more that one Meeting House to replace Victoria Terrace; | 796 <p>Alternatively, we might have more that one Meeting House to replace Victoria Terrace; |
798 this would mean no central Edinburgh Meeting. Possible areas would include | 797 this would mean no central Edinburgh Meeting. Possible areas would include |
805 arrange mid-week or evening meetings, and have some say over publicity displays and | 804 arrange mid-week or evening meetings, and have some say over publicity displays and |
806 lettings. We would wish to be in charge of lettings, including festival events | 805 lettings. We would wish to be in charge of lettings, including festival events |
807 such as poetry readings, plays, small musical events, and so on. We would not have a | 806 such as poetry readings, plays, small musical events, and so on. We would not have a |
808 café, but might offer light refreshments and have an exhibition on walls other | 807 café, but might offer light refreshments and have an exhibition on walls other |
809 those of the Meeting Room.</p> | 808 those of the Meeting Room.</p> |
809 <p>We carried out a survey of commercial property of a reasonable scale in | |
810 and around the centre, and there was nothing available for under £250,000 | |
811 that was any where near large enough. Finding <emph>any</emph> premises including one room of approximately 800 | |
812 square feet (the size of the current meeting room and of the hall) was itself | |
813 difficult, and we found no premises with <emph>two</emph> such rooms.</p> | |
814 <p>One possibility we are aware of but did not explore in detail is taking | |
815 over, or sharing, other church premises. There was some suggestion that for | |
816 example the Methodist property off Nicholson Square might be, or be about to | |
817 be, available. It seemed at best unlikely that a move to such premises would | |
818 result in a situation materially different from our current one.</p> | |
810 </div> | 819 </div> |
811 </div> | 820 </div> |
812 <div> | 821 <div> |
813 <title>The Vision</title> | 822 <title>The Vision</title> |
814 <p>What do we want: summary of options, from our discussions and open meetings</p> | 823 <p>What do we want: summary of options, from our discussions and open meetings</p> |
839 <title>Appendices</title> | 848 <title>Appendices</title> |
840 <p>Material we've gathered (what do we keep back?)</p> | 849 <p>Material we've gathered (what do we keep back?)</p> |
841 <div id="remit"> | 850 <div id="remit"> |
842 <title>Appendix A: Remit from Area Meeting</title> | 851 <title>Appendix A: Remit from Area Meeting</title> |
843 </div> | 852 </div> |
853 <div id="quests"> | |
854 <title>Appendix B: Questionnaires for different user groups</title> | |
855 </div> | |
856 <div id="open"> | |
857 <title>Appendix C: Summary of contributions from open meetings</title> | |
858 </div> | |
859 <div id="other"> | |
860 <title>Appendix ?: What else?</title> | |
861 </div> | |
844 </div> | 862 </div> |
845 </body> | 863 </body> |
846 </doc> | 864 </doc> |