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Stuart Masters 1, through 28:40
author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
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1 Tim Peat Ashworth: Paul as focussed on the transformation of all 1 ===================
2 Part 1 Tim Peat Ashworth _The Earliest Christians_
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4
5 Paul as focussed on the transformation of all
2 creation, originating in the transformation of ourselves. Finding 6 creation, originating in the transformation of ourselves. Finding
3 that throughout the NT. 7 that throughout the NT.
4 8
5 "The William": There's a big gap in the New Testament narratives: the 9 "The William": There's a big gap in the New Testament narratives: the
6 Romans, the resistance, Masada (73 CE), etc. Why? 10 Romans, the resistance, Masada (73 CE), etc. Why?
169 1) *The living word* 173 1) *The living word*
170 'This is the word of the Lord' 174 'This is the word of the Lord'
171 But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture. 175 But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture.
172 As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT 176 As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT
173 the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves. 177 the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves.
174 Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is 178 Ref. Hebrews 8, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is
175 the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..." 179 the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..."
176 180
177 31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a 181 31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a
178 new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. 182 new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
179 183
341 transformative spiritual experiences, and they felt that it isolated 345 transformative spiritual experiences, and they felt that it isolated
342 them from their communities, where no-one else had had that... 346 them from their communities, where no-one else had had that...
343 347
344 [Brilliant, speaking with the prophetic voice, post from Linda 348 [Brilliant, speaking with the prophetic voice, post from Linda
345 Garrett: https://moodle.woodbrooke.org.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=14564] 349 Garrett: https://moodle.woodbrooke.org.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=14564]
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352 Stuart Masters _The Early Quakers_
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354
355 Mainstream Puritanism at the start of the Quaker period is quite
356 straight Calvanism, with predestination of the Elect as the core.
357
358 Radical Puritanism, in contract, really experiencing and knowing God
359 within yourself, shared with the early Quaker vision.
360
361 *The Experience and the Vision*
362
363 *Pentecost* -- the catalyst, the enabler
364
365 The spirit of God poured on all people:
366
367 Joel 2:28 (Peter adverts to this in Acts 2:17)
368
369 In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour out my
370 Spirit upon _all_ flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall
371 prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men
372 shall dream dreams. [NRSV] [Emphasis added by SM]
373
374 Made possible by the Incarnation -- a new creation
375
376 Leads to Charismatic aspect of early Quakerism: Embodied
377 spirituality Signs, miracles, healing
378
379 [same as TPA above]: The new creation is both individual, and
380 universal:
381
382 "...give all diligence to the Spirit's motion and leadings, what it
383 moves against, and what it leads to; for now will God make all
384 things new: a new creation, new heavens, and new earth, and new
385 heart and mind, and a new law, a new man to walk therein with his
386 Maker with cheerfulness" James Nayler _Milk for Babes and Meat for
387 Strong Men_ [from prison, 1660, published 1661]
388 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/milkmeat.html
389
390 *The New Covenant*
391
392 Jeremiah 31:33-34 [loc. cit. above at *The living word*]
393 repeated in Hebrews 8
394
395 The image of God fully restored, God will teach us Godself.
396
397 But the truth of this in the early Church had been lost, people had
398 turned away from the spirit and power of that experience and that
399 direct inward intimacy, and had turned again to 2nd-hand, outward,
400 mediated sorts of ways of relating to God.
401
402 "And this we witness to be that covenant and that power by which we
403 are entered into that inheritance which is eternal and are made
404 partakers of the divine nature; which nature is righteous, merciful
405 and just, meek and patient, faithful and diligent to the obedience
406 of the cross, long-suffering, full of love, moderation and
407 temperance, and in all things thereby are transformed into his
408 likeness,68 so far as we are entered into and abide in this
409 covenant, so that we can truly say, here he is all, and self is
410 nothing" James Nayler _A Salutation to the Seed of God_ 1655
411 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/sal_seed.html
412
413 Christ living in us (ref. Paul in Galatians 2:20)
414
415 *The Apocalyptic*
416
417 Not about cataclysmic conflict and destruction, but primarily about
418 God removing the veil that obscures our vision of things.
419
420 People begin to see themselves and the whole creation through divine
421 eys rather than through their limited and often distorted human
422 vision.
423
424 "The word is that which was in the beginning, and was the beginning
425 of all visible things, and that by which all things were made, but
426 itself is invisible; which though it be the upholder of all visible
427 things, yet can no visible thing reveal it; yet doth it reveal the
428 ground and use and end of all visibles. And as without it 'was
429 nothing made that was made', so without it is nothing seen as it was
430 made, nor anything can be guided nor used in its pure place; but
431 whatever man meddles with, not having the word in him to guide,
432 order, and sanctify, the same he defiles, and it is polluted as to
433 him. Nor can this word be comprehended in heaven or earth; without
434 this word can no holy Scripture be read with profit, for it opens
435 the Scriptures, and the Scriptures declare of it, yet cannot the
436 Scriptures nor all the writings of the world comprehend it nor
437 declare the depth and extent of it, which is beyond all generations;
438 yet is it the teacher and guide of his own in all generations; and
439 in all generations of saints hath been known in measure, more or
440 less immediately, though it has no place in the world's profession."
441 James Nayler _Love To The Lost And a Hand held forth to the
442 Helpless To Lead out of the Dark_ 1656b
443 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/lovelost.html
444
445 ["I am not the Christ, but Christ lives in me"]
446
447 *The Prophetic* - the image of God has been fully restored in the human
448
449 Back to Jeremiah and Paul: In the new humanity, people become vessels
450 through which God speaks and acts.
451
452 This is what humanity was created to be, was lost, and is now possible
453 again.
454
455 "Verily the Lord God hath sent me to declare and publish, and sound
456 forth hsi message unto all Israel, even to declare the day of free
457 love, and everlasting consolation, how blessed a thing is it for the
458 Brethren to dwell together in the unity of love and the Holy Spirit,
459 in the covenant of love and peace, in the union of Saints in the
460 Light." Dorothy White _Unto All God's Host in England_ 1660
461 [not online?]
462
463 The Fall was a fragmentation, the new opportunity is to find a
464 communal identify: a temple of living stones.
465
466 Rather than sitting helplessly, knowing nothing about your own
467 salvation or lack thereof. No, heaven has come down to earth and is
468 dwelling in us, and we are showing it forth.
469
470 "thus is the Living God Purifying his Temples [us?]; and he is
471 making a Glorious Situation, a Heavenly Habitation, and an
472 Everlasting dwelling place in the Sons and Daughters of Men; for God
473 is now come to dwell in his people, as he hath said, I will dwell in
474 them, and I will walk in them, and a people hath God chosen to dwell
475 in, and this is Gods everlasting day of loving kindness," Dorothy
476 White _A Visitation of Heavenly Love_ 1660
477 http://www.qhpress.org/cgi-bin/esrlink.cgi?doc=E27763157&name=dorothy.white
478 [page 6]
479 http://dqc.esr.earlham.edu:8080/xmlmm/docButtonB?XMLMMWhat=builtPage&XMLMMWhere=E27763157.P00000010-6&XMLMMBeanName=docBean&XMLMMNextPage=/printBuiltPageBrowse.jsp
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