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Stuart Masters 1, through 28:40
author | Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> |
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1 Tim Peat Ashworth: Paul as focussed on the transformation of all | 1 =================== |
2 Part 1 Tim Peat Ashworth _The Earliest Christians_ | |
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5 Paul as focussed on the transformation of all | |
2 creation, originating in the transformation of ourselves. Finding | 6 creation, originating in the transformation of ourselves. Finding |
3 that throughout the NT. | 7 that throughout the NT. |
4 | 8 |
5 "The William": There's a big gap in the New Testament narratives: the | 9 "The William": There's a big gap in the New Testament narratives: the |
6 Romans, the resistance, Masada (73 CE), etc. Why? | 10 Romans, the resistance, Masada (73 CE), etc. Why? |
169 1) *The living word* | 173 1) *The living word* |
170 'This is the word of the Lord' | 174 'This is the word of the Lord' |
171 But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture. | 175 But in the NT, 'the word of the Lord' does _not_ mean Scripture. |
172 As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT | 176 As in the OT, it is something that comes to _people_, in the OT |
173 the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves. | 177 the prophets, in the NT the new Christians themselves. |
174 Ref. Hebrews, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is | 178 Ref. Hebrews 8, quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34, several times. This is |
175 the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..." | 179 the longest quote of the OT in the NT: "The days are surely coming..." |
176 | 180 |
177 31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a | 181 31 The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a |
178 new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. | 182 new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. |
179 | 183 |
341 transformative spiritual experiences, and they felt that it isolated | 345 transformative spiritual experiences, and they felt that it isolated |
342 them from their communities, where no-one else had had that... | 346 them from their communities, where no-one else had had that... |
343 | 347 |
344 [Brilliant, speaking with the prophetic voice, post from Linda | 348 [Brilliant, speaking with the prophetic voice, post from Linda |
345 Garrett: https://moodle.woodbrooke.org.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=14564] | 349 Garrett: https://moodle.woodbrooke.org.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=14564] |
350 | |
351 ========================== | |
352 Stuart Masters _The Early Quakers_ | |
353 ========================== | |
354 | |
355 Mainstream Puritanism at the start of the Quaker period is quite | |
356 straight Calvanism, with predestination of the Elect as the core. | |
357 | |
358 Radical Puritanism, in contract, really experiencing and knowing God | |
359 within yourself, shared with the early Quaker vision. | |
360 | |
361 *The Experience and the Vision* | |
362 | |
363 *Pentecost* -- the catalyst, the enabler | |
364 | |
365 The spirit of God poured on all people: | |
366 | |
367 Joel 2:28 (Peter adverts to this in Acts 2:17) | |
368 | |
369 In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour out my | |
370 Spirit upon _all_ flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall | |
371 prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men | |
372 shall dream dreams. [NRSV] [Emphasis added by SM] | |
373 | |
374 Made possible by the Incarnation -- a new creation | |
375 | |
376 Leads to Charismatic aspect of early Quakerism: Embodied | |
377 spirituality Signs, miracles, healing | |
378 | |
379 [same as TPA above]: The new creation is both individual, and | |
380 universal: | |
381 | |
382 "...give all diligence to the Spirit's motion and leadings, what it | |
383 moves against, and what it leads to; for now will God make all | |
384 things new: a new creation, new heavens, and new earth, and new | |
385 heart and mind, and a new law, a new man to walk therein with his | |
386 Maker with cheerfulness" James Nayler _Milk for Babes and Meat for | |
387 Strong Men_ [from prison, 1660, published 1661] | |
388 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/milkmeat.html | |
389 | |
390 *The New Covenant* | |
391 | |
392 Jeremiah 31:33-34 [loc. cit. above at *The living word*] | |
393 repeated in Hebrews 8 | |
394 | |
395 The image of God fully restored, God will teach us Godself. | |
396 | |
397 But the truth of this in the early Church had been lost, people had | |
398 turned away from the spirit and power of that experience and that | |
399 direct inward intimacy, and had turned again to 2nd-hand, outward, | |
400 mediated sorts of ways of relating to God. | |
401 | |
402 "And this we witness to be that covenant and that power by which we | |
403 are entered into that inheritance which is eternal and are made | |
404 partakers of the divine nature; which nature is righteous, merciful | |
405 and just, meek and patient, faithful and diligent to the obedience | |
406 of the cross, long-suffering, full of love, moderation and | |
407 temperance, and in all things thereby are transformed into his | |
408 likeness,68 so far as we are entered into and abide in this | |
409 covenant, so that we can truly say, here he is all, and self is | |
410 nothing" James Nayler _A Salutation to the Seed of God_ 1655 | |
411 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/sal_seed.html | |
412 | |
413 Christ living in us (ref. Paul in Galatians 2:20) | |
414 | |
415 *The Apocalyptic* | |
416 | |
417 Not about cataclysmic conflict and destruction, but primarily about | |
418 God removing the veil that obscures our vision of things. | |
419 | |
420 People begin to see themselves and the whole creation through divine | |
421 eys rather than through their limited and often distorted human | |
422 vision. | |
423 | |
424 "The word is that which was in the beginning, and was the beginning | |
425 of all visible things, and that by which all things were made, but | |
426 itself is invisible; which though it be the upholder of all visible | |
427 things, yet can no visible thing reveal it; yet doth it reveal the | |
428 ground and use and end of all visibles. And as without it 'was | |
429 nothing made that was made', so without it is nothing seen as it was | |
430 made, nor anything can be guided nor used in its pure place; but | |
431 whatever man meddles with, not having the word in him to guide, | |
432 order, and sanctify, the same he defiles, and it is polluted as to | |
433 him. Nor can this word be comprehended in heaven or earth; without | |
434 this word can no holy Scripture be read with profit, for it opens | |
435 the Scriptures, and the Scriptures declare of it, yet cannot the | |
436 Scriptures nor all the writings of the world comprehend it nor | |
437 declare the depth and extent of it, which is beyond all generations; | |
438 yet is it the teacher and guide of his own in all generations; and | |
439 in all generations of saints hath been known in measure, more or | |
440 less immediately, though it has no place in the world's profession." | |
441 James Nayler _Love To The Lost And a Hand held forth to the | |
442 Helpless To Lead out of the Dark_ 1656b | |
443 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/lovelost.html | |
444 | |
445 ["I am not the Christ, but Christ lives in me"] | |
446 | |
447 *The Prophetic* - the image of God has been fully restored in the human | |
448 | |
449 Back to Jeremiah and Paul: In the new humanity, people become vessels | |
450 through which God speaks and acts. | |
451 | |
452 This is what humanity was created to be, was lost, and is now possible | |
453 again. | |
454 | |
455 "Verily the Lord God hath sent me to declare and publish, and sound | |
456 forth hsi message unto all Israel, even to declare the day of free | |
457 love, and everlasting consolation, how blessed a thing is it for the | |
458 Brethren to dwell together in the unity of love and the Holy Spirit, | |
459 in the covenant of love and peace, in the union of Saints in the | |
460 Light." Dorothy White _Unto All God's Host in England_ 1660 | |
461 [not online?] | |
462 | |
463 The Fall was a fragmentation, the new opportunity is to find a | |
464 communal identify: a temple of living stones. | |
465 | |
466 Rather than sitting helplessly, knowing nothing about your own | |
467 salvation or lack thereof. No, heaven has come down to earth and is | |
468 dwelling in us, and we are showing it forth. | |
469 | |
470 "thus is the Living God Purifying his Temples [us?]; and he is | |
471 making a Glorious Situation, a Heavenly Habitation, and an | |
472 Everlasting dwelling place in the Sons and Daughters of Men; for God | |
473 is now come to dwell in his people, as he hath said, I will dwell in | |
474 them, and I will walk in them, and a people hath God chosen to dwell | |
475 in, and this is Gods everlasting day of loving kindness," Dorothy | |
476 White _A Visitation of Heavenly Love_ 1660 | |
477 http://www.qhpress.org/cgi-bin/esrlink.cgi?doc=E27763157&name=dorothy.white | |
478 [page 6] | |
479 http://dqc.esr.earlham.edu:8080/xmlmm/docButtonB?XMLMMWhat=builtPage&XMLMMWhere=E27763157.P00000010-6&XMLMMBeanName=docBean&XMLMMNextPage=/printBuiltPageBrowse.jsp | |
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