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21 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Fourth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246); font-size: 12pt; width: 20cm; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto"> | |
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23 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Fourth meeting</h1> | |
24 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div> | |
25 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 8 February 2009, 7:30 p.m.</div> | |
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27 | |
28 <div> | |
29 <h2>1. Attendance</h2> | |
30 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Anthony Buxton, Madeleine Harding, Ken Jobling, Phil Lucas, | |
31 Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade, | |
32 Eileen Schott, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p> | |
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34 <div> | |
35 <h2>2. Input from the co-Manager</h2> | |
36 <p>Looking back, at the time of the original purchase, of the projected | |
37 250,000 GBP spend planned for upgrading the building only 150,000 GBP | |
38 was spent, and again in 1993 a review suggested some major work which wasn't done.</p> | |
39 <p>Lettings have gone down this year because of the loss of two major lettings: The Traverse, who | |
40 moved to their own premises; and the City of Edinburgh, who have cut back on external training. | |
41 Prospects this year don't look great on that front.</p> | |
42 <p>At interview, we were asked to "be a Quaker presence", and that's what we | |
43 try to do. Our day begins at 0745, and the Meeting | |
44 House is often open until 2130 or 2200. Sue and Anthony average about 60hrs/week, although only | |
45 contracted for 37.5.</p> | |
46 <p>Staff costs increased this year in part because of the necessity of allowing for holiday pay for | |
47 part-time staff (in arrears).</p> | |
48 <p>The Buxtons' vision for 7VT is as a centre for Quakers in Edinburgh or even in Scotland. The | |
49 increase in visibility we have worked for is part of this: making the entry to the ground floor and | |
50 the Festival Cafe more evidently Quaker.</p> | |
51 <p>The Festival venue doesn't actually net any money: we're closed for six weeks as far as bookings | |
52 is concerned -- if we were not a venue, we <i>might</i> get income from e.g. rehersal space | |
53 lettings. So overall we lose money for that six weeks, even though staff costs are lower, as we have four | |
54 venue managers (Sue, Anthony, Tom and Tam [as convenor of the Festival C'ttee], one of whom is always | |
55 on duty. Only when Tam is on do we have staff cover as well.</p> | |
56 <p>The cooking involved in the Festival Cafe has provoked the food hygiene changes, and are leading to the upgrade. For tea and | |
57 coffee only, we could do without the kitchen upgrade. A redesign there would enable a new letting | |
58 space.</p> | |
59 <p>The kitchen upgrade is currently estimated at 30KGBP, the toilets 50KGBP. Replacing the cookers | |
60 means adding ventolation, all stainless-steel. Decomination requires pressure hoses, with more impact.</p> | |
61 <p>The kitchen does not play much into the lettings business, that is, not having a kitchen would | |
62 not have much if any impact on the lettings. Anyone who wants lunch has a buffet (usually cold) | |
63 catered in. The refreshment business is for teas and coffees.</p> | |
64 <p>Cooking is crucial watershed: the "no kitchen" option would still allow dishwasher(s) and fridge(s).</p> | |
65 <p>Alternatively, consider running a cafe continuously during the year. This would of course have | |
66 an impact on the library.</p> | |
67 <p>We are hopeful that the Victoria Terrace pavement will be re-opened | |
68 through to George the IVth Bridge by around Easter.</p> | |
69 <p>Opening up access to the creche directly from the library would be about 5KGBP, we could also | |
70 look at breaking the internal wall down, adding built-in cupboards and a window.</p> | |
71 <p>The toilets refit is aiming for five lady's cubicles (plus basins), two cubicles and two urinals for the men's</p> | |
72 <p>Basic fabric and roof are in good state. The windows are pending. The hall is in good state, | |
73 and proving attractive to lettings.</p> | |
74 <p>The meetingroom itself has access issues wrt catering, and we have been trying to get most | |
75 catering done on the 1st floor -- not all groups like this. There is no water | |
76 or drainage on that side of the building.</p> | |
77 <p>The windows project: it should be possible to get double-glazed vertically-hinged windows in the | |
78 Meeting Room and Hall, which | |
79 would mean we could get rid of the secondary windows and have proper ventolation. We're hoping to have | |
80 this redesign done soon so that if we must do </p> | |
81 <p>We could service/manage more letting with existing staffing levels if we had more rooms.</p> | |
82 <p>Heating bill for the whole building was about 8KGBP last year, some heaters lack local | |
83 thermostats. Solar or roof-based heat exchanger might be possible. No costings are available for this.</p> | |
84 <p>Fire regulations are now becoming an issue: strictly speaking the maximum occupancy of rooms | |
85 above a single staircase is 60. A safe refuge for wheelchair uses and lift sealing are also in the offing.</p> | |
86 <p>The overall regulatory situation means anytime we do anything, we now have to do it to the top | |
87 standard demanded by fire, safety, health etc. regulations. We are sometimes put in a difficult | |
88 position by this, for example, with respect to young Quaker residential groups, to whom strictly | |
89 speaking we should be saying "no". If we break the rules, and an accident happens, we will be in | |
90 serious trouble.</p> | |
91 <p>Staffing: Tom does 3 days a week, one of which is maintenance, and he | |
92 covers for Friday (Managers' day off) and holidays. There are a further eight | |
93 0-hours contract staff who fill the rest on an <i>ad-hoc</i> basis. We | |
94 do lose money if we open the building for just one group who are only using the | |
95 Bow Room, for which the charity rate is 10GBP/hour.</p> | |
96 <p>The recession may be having an impact, with things quite quiet since | |
97 Christmas, except for some weeks when we are over-subscribed. Wednesday is the | |
98 busiest day of the week, somewhat hampered by midweek Meeting.</p> | |
99 <p>We can't compete with the big hotels and conference centres, and we don't | |
100 try. Our primary lettors come from the voluntary sector. Although they have | |
101 been hit by the recession, and the shrinkage of Lottery funding consequent on | |
102 the Olympics, we are looking at some hopeful prospects as well.</p> | |
103 <p>We do have some groups with whom we have long-standing regular bookings, although not in the form | |
104 of say an annual contracts -- there are weekly discounts.</p> | |
105 <p>6VT have enquired about letting the Bow Room on a long-term basis.</p> | |
106 <p>We're not in a position (as say Dundee is) to do commercial lettings of a part of the building.</p> | |
107 <p>Possible comparators: The Methodist Church in Nicholson Square; St. Mary's RC Cathedral</p> | |
108 <p>We are now considered a "Quaker Centre". Manchester, Liverpool, York, | |
109 Sheffield, Manchester, Swarthmore, Woodbrooke, Oxford (but they don't come to | |
110 the meetings convened to discuss common issues) are | |
111 others. We are the only one in Scotland. Glasgow and Dundee do some lettings, but without the overall | |
112 approach of a Centre.</p> | |
113 <p>There are still ways we could be making more of the building, more signage, more window displays. | |
114 We don't have a permanent place for worship, which is unfortunate. Not enough use is being made of the | |
115 Meeting House <i>by and for Quakers</i>.</p> | |
116 <p>Trading Company to run the business: Friends House have done that, the Priory Rooms (Poole | |
117 Street, Birmingham) have done this. Anthony would not like to go that way: | |
118 there is real tension in Poole Street, for instance, between the needs of the | |
119 AM and the business.</p> | |
120 <p>Dundee Property Trust own the tenement with the Dundee Meeting House, and the property agent | |
121 on the ground floor. Laurie Naumann has just become a trustee.</p> | |
122 <p>Deciding what the right funding/ownership/management model is depends on | |
123 what footprint we want, whether we want a presence or just a venue for Meeting | |
124 for Worship. | |
125 Setting up a trading company when we're running at a deficit seems like a non-starter.</p> | |
126 <p>Why aren't we running more Quaker study groups here? Why aren't more of our members doing more of | |
127 their Quaker-related business here? Our regular bookings do stop us being adventurous: we could have | |
128 had the whole Middle-Eastern festival here, if we hadn't had the load of our ongoing bookings. We | |
129 could change the way we do bookings, shift from regular slots to blocks.</p> | |
130 </div> | |
131 <div> | |
132 <h2>3. Input from the Convenor of Fabric and Maintenance | |
133 C'ttee</h2> | |
134 <p>Ken is a Trustee as well. Trustees have decided that no major spending commitments can be made | |
135 (except for urgent matters) until this Working Group has reported and AM has come to some conclusions. | |
136 This puts real pressure on getting recommendations and decisions out of this review exercise as quickly | |
137 as possible.</p> | |
138 <p>Trustees have passed two things as matters of priority to F&M:</p> | |
139 <ul> | |
140 <li> ongoing roof access above the flat (e.g. wrt | |
141 gutters);</li> | |
142 <li>priorities arising from the quinquennial review, i.e. things which had to be done very soon, for | |
143 example some of the West windows.</li> | |
144 </ul> | |
145 <p>At a Quaker Centres meeting last week we heard many similar stories to what Anthony said above.</p> | |
146 <p>The possibility of establishing some official Scotland GM use of building was explored in 1995. The | |
147 operation of Quaker Link Scotland from 7VT also happened around then. The appointment of an admin. | |
148 assistant to GM was at first thought of as feeding into this, but partly because of the IVS lease on | |
149 the Bow Room, and partly because of opposition from elsewhere in GM, nothing came of it.</p> | |
150 <p>There is a danger of getting bogged down in costs, while losing sight of the benefits of the place.</p> | |
151 <p>We have been running on low reserves since, roughly, the establishment of the Kelso Meeting | |
152 House. We can't look at the Meeting House in isolation.</p> | |
153 <p>Other Quaker Centres have emphasised the need to have a clear vision in service of which the | |
154 financial plans are framed.</p> | |
155 </div> | |
156 <div> | |
157 <h2>4. Questionnaires</h2> | |
158 <p>Anthony was dismayed at the questionnaire which was headed for lettings, at a time when the | |
159 client base is delicate, indeed frightened that it might scare people off. None of the questionnaires | |
160 included anything about who the group is and what our remit is, or included the question of vision. | |
161 Eileen mentioned that the goal was to find out more about what made people come | |
162 back, or not. Anthony pointed out that there | |
163 already is a satisfaction evaluation for letting clients.</p> | |
164 <p>Brian suggested that the timing might be better once we have a better sense of what path we are | |
165 going down.</p> | |
166 <p>Anthony thought that asking about alternative visions is the best way to get people's input.</p> | |
167 <p>Anthony recommended only having <i>one</i> questionnaire, so that the results are | |
168 comparable. Alison agreed that many of the questions should be the same, but the some questions were | |
169 only appropriate for some groups.</p> | |
170 </div> | |
171 <div> | |
172 <h2>5. Future topics</h2> | |
173 <p>Need a tour of the building, next time (when Rufus is here).</p> | |
174 <p>Developing alternative visions</p> | |
175 </div> | |
176 <div> | |
177 <h2>6. Next Meeting</h2> | |
178 <p>Our next meeting will be on Sunday 22 February, 7:30 p.m. at 7 Victoria | |
179 Terrace. We have tentatively set Sunday 8 March, same time and venue, for the | |
180 meeting after that.</p> | |
181 </div> | |
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