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2 <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="../../../lib/xml/doc.xsl" ?>
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4 <doc>
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5 <head>
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6 <title>SESAM and the Quakers in Scotland proposal</title>
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7 <author>Henry S. Thompson</author>
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8 <date>29 Mar 2024</date>
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9 <style>.alpha {list-style-type: lower-alpha}
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11 </head>
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12 <body>
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13 <div>
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14 <title>Introduction</title>
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15 <p>I have struggled at the last two threshing meetings about the proposed
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16 governing document (now version of 2024-03-21, hereafter GD) for
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17 Quakers in Scotland (<name>QiS</name>) to adequately convey my concerns. In
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18 writing this I'm attempting to do better, not only with respect to
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19 what I think is wrong, but also by suggesting how it could be fixed.</p>
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20 <p>It's not short, and there's an even longer appendix of background
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21 detail, so here's a summary:</p>
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22 <blockquote>
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23 <p>SESAM Trustees should advise SESAM that SESAM <emph>should not</emph> agree to
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24 joining <name>QiS</name> without substantial changes to the governing document,
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25 distinguishing between the charity and the church and making their
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26 relationship explicit, following the model of the governing document
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27 for Britain Yearly Meeting (the charity).</p>
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28 <p>An updated GD needs to make explicit provision for the possibility
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29 of SESAM-the-church continuing <emph>as</emph> an Area Meeting while laying
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30 down SESAM-the-charity, drawing on the proposed approach to
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31 preserving AMs in Wales. There must be clarity on SESAM-the-church's
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32 status with respect to <name>QiS-the-church</name> and thus with respect to the
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33 trustees of <name>QiS-the-charity</name>.</p>
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34 </blockquote>
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35 <p>I'll start by identifying the problems I see with the GD, and go on to
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36 outline the kind of changes I think would improve it, to the point
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37 where SESAM would support the creation of the <name>QiS-the-charity</name> and
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38 would participate in <name>QiS-the-church</name>.</p>
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39 </div>
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40 <div>
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41 <title>A note on terminology</title>
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42 <p>In their cover letter for the draft GD sent to SESAM Trustees on
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43 2024-01-06, the <name>QiS</name> Coordinating Group says</p>
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44 <blockquote>"The Options for Scotland group [proposes] that we form a <emph>single
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45 charity</emph> and that we form a <emph>single body</emph>. The idea of a single
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46 body clearly needs more work to discern what this might look
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47 like. It will take time. That idea is not part of what we are
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48 asking you about here." (emphasis added)</blockquote>
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49 <p>Above I used "<name>QiS-the-charity</name>" to refer to such a charity and
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50 "<name>QiS-the-church</name>" to refer to such a body. For simplicity, hereafter
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51 I'll call the former the <name>SCIO</name>, short for the (proposed) "Scottish Charitable
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52 Incorporated Organisation" and the latter the <name>RSFS</name>, short
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53 for the "Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Scotland".</p>
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54 </div>
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55 <div>
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56 <title>Problems with the GD</title>
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57 <div>
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58 <title>The church and the charity</title>
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59 <p>Making a distinction between the <name>SCIO</name> and the <name>RSFS</name> is explicitly
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60 modelled on the distinction found in the governing document of
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61 "Britain Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
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62 (Britain Yearly Meeting)" as registered with the Charity Commission
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63 (charity no. 1127633). Britain Yearly Meeting (BYM) is (an English)
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64 Charitable Incorporated Organisation. Its governing document defines
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65 that lengthy name as the charity and "The Religious Society of Friends
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66 (Quakers) in Britain" as the church.</p>
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67 <p>The GD uses "Quakers in Scotland" for both of these, without
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68 ever explicitly acknowledging that they are distinct. Sometimes
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69 context makes clear which they are referring to, but not always.</p>
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70 <p>There are two problems here:</p>
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71 <list class="alpha" type="enum">
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72 <item>The lack of a clear distinction between the two, exemplified
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73 further by the calling letter for GM on 6 April 2024, which
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74 describes the matter before the Meeting once as "a single Quaker
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75 body" and once as "a single Quaker charity / body";</item>
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76 <item>The very limited nature of what is said, or more often implied,
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77 about the <name>RSFS</name>. This is acknowledged in the quote above: "the
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78 body is not part of what we are asking you about here".</item>
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79 </list>
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80 <p>These problems arise in large part because, perfectly understandably,
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81 <name>QiS</name>-CG evidently started with the template for governing documents for
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82 (English/Welsh) CIOs made available by Quaker Life
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83 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/cio-constitution-template-agreed-2014">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/cio-constitution-template-agreed-2014</link>),
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84 which embodies the same confusion*.</p>
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85 <p>Indeed SESAM-the-charity's own governing document is also based on a
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86 similar, more recent, template for non-incorporated Area Meetings from
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87 Quaker Life
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88 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</link>),
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89 and so also suffers from these problems.</p>
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90 <p>But <emph>why</emph> are these problems, and even granted that they are, why do
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91 they need to be fixed <emph>now</emph>?</p>
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92 <p>They are problems because the existing Area Meetings' responsibilities
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93 and activities as a worshiping body, governed by Meetings for Worship
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94 for Church Affairs of their membership as set out in QF&amp;P, are largely
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95 distinct from their responsibilities and activities as a charity,
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96 governed by trustees. The former consist of, for example, the spiritual and
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97 pastoral care of their members and their witness to their communities, grounded in our
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98 testimonies, whereas the latter focus on
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99 maitaining the Area Meeting's legal status and financial well-being.
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100 As for Britain Yearly Meeting, whose succinct self-characterisation
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101 recently has been "A simple church supported by a simple charity", so
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102 it should be for Area Meetings. Quaker Faith and Practice has useful
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103 guidance on this relationship throughout section 15. 15.03 is
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104 particularly relevant:</p>
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105 <p> "The law may assume that authority for determining action
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106 passes to the trustees and the meeting may choose to do
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107 this. However, under Gospel Order, the ultimate authority will
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108 still lie with the gathered meeting."</p>
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109 <p>This needs to be fixed <emph>now</emph> because it is laid on Area Meeting
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110 trustees to manage the assets of the Area Meeting in such a was as to
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111 support the charitable objects of the Area Meeting, and without a
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112 clear understanding of how that will continue to be true once those
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113 assets are transferred to the <name>SCIO</name>, they would fail in that
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114 responsibility, which the law expresses as <span>"[they</span> must] seek, in good
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115 faith, to ensure that the charity acts in a manner which is consistent
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116 with its purposes".</p>
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117 <note class="footnote">* East of Scotland AM
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118 and North of Scotland AM's governing documents are also based on the
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119 non-incorporated Area Meeting template. Stewardship of North of
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120 Scotland Quaker Trust is identified as a responsibility of NSAM
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121 Trustees in their Terms of Reference. West of Scotland's document is
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122 shorter, and perhaps based on an early template, compared to the
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123 others.</note>
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124 </div>
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125 <div>
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126 <title>The future of the Area Meeting(s)</title>
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127 </div>
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128 </div>
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129 <div>
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130 <title>Some extensive background, which has informed my thinking.</title>
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131 <p>Thanks to Jackie Noltingk, Erica Thomas and Lesley Richards for
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132 helpful answers to my questions, and to Kathryn Gulliver and Piers Voysey for sending
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133 me copies of their AM's governing documents.</p>
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134 <p>The General Meeting for Scotland (GM) mailing list were told
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135 (2023-11-17), in regard to</p>
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136 <p> "(1) The possibility of merging our existing 6 charities into a
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137 single body, Quakers in Scotland.</p>
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138 <p> "(2) How we might organise all our concerns and worship more
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139 effectively as a single charity."</p>
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140 <p>that</p>
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141 <p> "The first step for (1) is to agree a governing document to replace
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142 the six comparable documents that apply to our existing charities."</p>
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143 <p>and</p>
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144 <p> "Friends will hear more requests soon to join in important
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145 discussions relating to (2)."</p>
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146 <p>I've searched my inbox without success for any request to "join in
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147 important discussions relating to (2)" until, possibly, the invitation
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148 from <name>QiS</name>-CG (2024-03-11) to two "information and discussion sessions
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149 on progress with work towards having a single body and charity for
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150 Quakers in Scotland".</p>
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151 <p>However the cover letter from <name>QiS</name> (2024-01-06) sent to SESAM Trustees
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152 says</p>
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153 <p> "The Options for Scotland group [proposes] that we form a single
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154 charity and that we form a single body. The idea of a single body
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155 clearly needs more work to discern what this might look like. It
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156 will take time. That idea is not part of what we are asking you
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157 about here."</p>
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158 <p>In fact the document laid before us in the special Area Meeting on
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159 15 January (Draft of 2023 12 29c.docx) had a lot to say about the
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160 body. Or did it? As I read it at the time it did't clearly
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161 distinguish between the charity and the body, using the phrase
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162 "Quakers in Scotland" in what I found to be confusing ways.</p>
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163 <p>A new draft (Draft of 2024 03 21.docx) has just been made available,
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164 with only modest changes from the earlier draft. I'll take it as
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165 definitive with respect to what we will have before us on 6 April.
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166 It hasn't changed much, if anything, of what I've found that makes me
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167 uneasy about agreeing to adopt it.</p>
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168 <p>More background: What do we already have as models for how charities
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169 and their trustees work. I'm reasonably familiar with two examples,
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170 which guide my thinking in this matter.</p>
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171 <p>1. The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain, and Britain
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172 Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers),
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173 Charity number: 1127633</p>
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174 <p>The governing document for the latter charity
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175 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/bym-governing-document-revised-min34-bym2014">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/bym-governing-document-revised-min34-bym2014</link>)
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176 begins with the following definitions:</p>
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177 <list type="enum" class="alpha">
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178 <item>The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain refers to
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179 the church in England, Scotland, Wales, the Channel Islands and
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180 the Isle of Man, including all its local meetings for worship and
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181 its constituent meetings for church affairs as well as all their
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182 work [referred to below as <name>the Society</name>].</item>
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183 <item>Britain Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
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184 (Quakers) [<name>Britain Yearly Meeting</name>] refers to the centrally held
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185 and managed policy, property, employment and work of the charity
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186 constituted by this document.</item>
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187 <item>Yearly Meeting in session [<name>Yearly Meeting</name>] refers to the annual
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188 assembly that is open to all members of the Society.</item>
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189 <item>Area Meetings are the main local meetings for church affairs and
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190 these are the level of the Society at which individual membership
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191 is held. Each Area Meeting is a separate charitable entity and
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192 may be registered as such with the Charity Commission.</item>
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193 <item><emph>Quaker faith &amp; practice</emph> is the current edition of the Book of
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194 Christian discipline of the Religious Society of Friends
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195 (Quakers) in Britain</item>
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196 <item>Meeting for Sufferings is the standing representative body of the Society.</item>
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197 <item>The term Friend refers to a member of the Society.</item>
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198 </list><p>* Highlighting added</p>
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199 <p>Note that there are two clearly distinguished entities, "the church"
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200 and "the charity". The charity is governed by the above referenced
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201 governing document, the church by the Red Book.</p>
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202 <p>Subsequent articles make clear that the Society, embodied in Yearly
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203 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for
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204 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting
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205 trustees, approving their terms of reference and appointing their
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206 clerks, among them the BYM Treasurer.</p>
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207 <p>2. Area meetings in Scotland governing documents</p>
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208 <p> * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
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209 (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as
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210 East Scotland Area Meeting) is based on the template provided by
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211 Quaker Life
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212 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</link>).
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213 The template does not make any overt distinction between the church
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214 and the charity, to my embarassment. However the phrases "(East
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215 Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and
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216 in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is
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217 evidently the charity.</p>
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218 <p> This sentence, taken unchanged from the template, is of note: "If
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219 at a meeting of East Scotland Area Meeting the members decide that
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220 it is necessary or advisable to dissolve the Area Meeting or to
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221 amalgamate with another Area Meeting <emph>and this is agreed by Meeting
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222 for Sufferings</emph>, the trustees shall have the power to realise any
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223 assets held by or on behalf of the Area Meeting. Any assets
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224 remaining after the satisfaction of any proper debts and
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225 liabilities shall, <emph>with the agreement of Meeting for Sufferings</emph>, be
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226 given or transferred to another Area Meeting, to Britain Yearly
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227 Meeting, or to some other charitable institution or institutions
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228 having objects similar to that of the area meeting and failing that
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229 for such other charitable purpose as Britain Yearly Meeting shall
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230 direct." [Emphasis added]</p>
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231 <p> * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
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232 (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to
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233 below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and
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234 formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting] likewise is
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235 based on the Quaker Life template. "Subject to the matters set out
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236 below the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
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237 accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is
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238 clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this
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239 governing document shall be agreed by South East Scotland Area
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240 Meeting in session and recorded by minute of the area meeting."
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241 it's the church. The dissolution clause is again taken from the
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242 template, with the addition of GM for Scotland to the allowed
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243 dispositions.</p>
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244 <p> * Dundee Friends Property Trust was governed by a 130-odd-year-old deed
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245 of trust, now superseded in 2009 by a governing document, which I
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246 can't find online. From the 2020 Annual Report:</p>
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247 <p> "New trustees are appointed by the remaining trustees, who are
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248 bound to select individuals in sympathy with the conditions of
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249 the original Trust Deed and who shall, if possible, be
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250 representative of Dundee Local Meeting. The majority of Trustees
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251 shall be drawn from Dundee Local Meeting."</p>
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252 <p> * North of Scotland AM is also based on the Quaker Life template.
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253 Stewardship of North of Scotland Quaker Trust is identified as a
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254 responsibility of NSAM Trustees in their Terms of Reference.</p>
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255 <p> * General Meeting for Scotland</p>
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256 <p> * The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Wales and the Marches
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257 - Cymdeithas Grefyddol y Cyfeillion (Crynwyr) yng Nghymru a’r
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258 Gororau [know as Cynar] is a Charitable Incorporated Organisation
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259 (CIO, comparable to an <name>SCIO</name>). Its constitution (Linked from
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260 <link href="https://www.symudymlaen2.org/">https://www.symudymlaen2.org/</link>) says that the members of the CIO are
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261 "all members of the Constituent Area Meetings". The constitution
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262 describes "General meetings of the members of the CIO", and
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263 mandates at least an Annual General Meeting. The clerks of the
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264 Constituent Bodies (the AMs and CCQW) constitute the "clerking
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265 team" who set the agenda for GMs and provide a clerk for each of
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266 them from among their number. At least two members from each
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267 Constituent Body must be present for a GM to be quorate. The
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268 Convenors of the NomComms of the COnstituent bodies constitute a
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269 NomComm for the CIO, and prepare nominations for the trustees and
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270 the Treasurer. There must be at least one trustee from each
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271 Constituent Body.</p>
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272 <p> I'm told that "AM trustees will cease to exist, Cymar trustees will
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273 fulfil the role of AM trustees, but for all 4 AMs and CCQW, so once
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274 the assets have been handed over, bank accounts closed down and
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275 final report and accounts prepared, then they can be released by
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276 their respective AMs and leave the rest to [Cymar] to deal with."</p>
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277 <p> It's not clear to me how this accords with QF&amp;P 4.02
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278 (<link href="https://qfp.quaker.org.uk/passage/4-02/">https://qfp.quaker.org.uk/passage/4-02/</link>) which says "Each area
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279 meeting is a separate charitable entity and it may be required to
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280 be registered as such with the relevant charity regulator. Area
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281 meetings which are registered or preparing for registration will
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282 operate under a formal governing document, which amongst other
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283 matters should set out the arrangements for trusteeship."
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284 </p>
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285 <p>Prison Chaplains</p>
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286 <p>QF&amp;P (13.54) gives area meetings responsibility for appointing prison
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287 chaplains and "General Meeting for Scotland is responsible for
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288 providing [their names] to the governors of all prison establishments
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289 in the area meeting area".</p>
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290 <p>Registering officers</p>
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291 <p>A similar story, without the involvement of GM, obtains for
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292 registering officers. "Each area meeting shall appoint a suitable
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293 Friend as registering officer ... the area meeting ... shall report
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294 [the appointment] to the Recording Clerk without delay, by minute
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295 signed by the clerk ... The Recording Clerk is required to certify all
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296 such appointments ... in Scotland, to the Registrar General for
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297 Scotland"; "The registering officer, acting on behalf of the area
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298 meeting, ..." (QF&amp;P 16.22,23)</p>
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299 </div>
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300 </body>
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301 </doc>