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author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
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1 A bit of history, to set the scene.
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3 The General Meeting for Scotland (GM) mailing list were told
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4 (2023-11-17), in regard to
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6 "(1) The possibility of merging our existing 6 charities into a
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7 single body, Quakers in Scotland.
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9 "(2) How we might organise all our concerns and worship more
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10 effectively as a single charity."
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11
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12 that
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14 "The first step for (1) is to agree a governing document to replace
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15 the six comparable documents that apply to our existing charities."
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17 and
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19 "Friends will hear more requests soon to join in important
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20 discussions relating to (2)."
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21
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22 I've searched my inbox without success for any request to "join in
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23 important discussions relating to (2)" until, possibly, the invitation
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24 from QiS-CG (2024-03-11) to two "information and discussion sessions
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25 on progress with work towards having a single body and charity for
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26 Quakers in Scotland".
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28 However the cover letter from QiS (2024-01-06) sent to SESAM Trustees
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29 says
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31 "The Options for Scotland group [proposes] that we form a single
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32 charity and that we form a single body. The idea of a single body
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33 clearly needs more work to discern what this might look like. It
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34 will take time. That idea is not part of what we are asking you
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35 about here."
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36
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37 In fact the document laid before us in the special Area Meeting on
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38 15 January (Draft of 2023 12 29c.docx) had a lot to say about the
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39 body. Or did it? As I read it at the time it did't clearly
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40 distinguish between the charity and the body, using the phrase
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41 "Quakers in Scotland" in what I found to be confusing ways.
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42
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43 A new draft (Draft of 2024 03 21.docx) has just been made available,
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44 with only modest changes from the earlier draft. I'll take it as
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45 definitive with respect to what we will have before us on 6 April.
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46 It hasn't changed much, if anything, of what I've found that makes me
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47 uneasy about agreeing to adopt it.
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48
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49 More background: What do we already have as models for how charities
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50 and their trustees work. I'm reasonably familiar with two examples,
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51 which guide my thinking in this matter.
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52
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53 1. The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain, and Britain
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54 Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers),
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55 Charity number: 1127633
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56
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57 The governing document for the latter charity
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58 (https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/bym-governing-document-revised-min34-bym2014)
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59 begins with the following definitions:
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60
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61 *Definitions*
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62
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63 a. The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain refers to
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64 the church in England, Scotland, Wales, the Channel Islands and
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65 the Isle of Man, including all its local meetings for worship and
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66 its constituent meetings for church affairs as well as all their
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67 work [referred to below as *the Society*].
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69 b. Britain Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
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70 (Quakers) [*Britain Yearly Meeting*] refers to the centrally held
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71 and managed policy, property, employment and work of the charity
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72 constituted by this document.
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74 c. Yearly Meeting in session [*Yearly Meeting*] refers to the annual
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75 assembly that is open to all members of the Society.
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77 d. Area Meetings are the main local meetings for church affairs and
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78 these are the level of the Society at which individual membership
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79 is held. Each Area Meeting is a separate charitable entity and
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80 may be registered as such with the Charity Commission.
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81
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82 e. _Quaker faith & practice_ is the current edition of the Book of
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83 Christian discipline of the Religious Society of Friends
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84 (Quakers) in Britain
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85
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86 f. Meeting for Sufferings is the standing representative body of the Society.
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87
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88 g. The term Friend refers to a member of the Society.
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89
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90 * Highlighting added
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91
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92 Note that there are two clearly distinguished entities, "the church"
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93 and "the charity". The charity is governed by the above referenced
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94 governing document, the church by the Red Book.
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96 Subsequent articles make clear that the Society, embodied in Yearly
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97 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for
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98 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting
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99 trustees, approving their terms of reference and appointing their
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100 clerks and treasurer.
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101
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102 2. Area meetings in Scotland governing documents
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103
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104 * North of Scotland Quaker Trust is evidently distinct from NSAM, but
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105 I haven't found a governing document.
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106
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107 * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
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108 (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as
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109 East Scotland Area Meeting) does not make any overt distinction
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110 between the charity and the church, although the phrases "(East
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111 Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and
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112 in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is
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113 evidently the charity.
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114
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115 This sentence is of note: "If at a meeting of East Scotland Area
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116 Meeting the members decide that it is necessary or advisable to
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117 dissolve the Area Meeting or to amalgamate with another Area
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118 Meeting _and this is agreed by Meeting for Sufferings_, the
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119 trustees shall have the power to realise any assets held by or on
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120 behalf of the Area Meeting." [Emphasis added]
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121
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122 * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
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123 (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to
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124 below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and
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125 formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting] likewise
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126 does not make any overt distinction between the church and the
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127 charity, to my embarassment. "Subject to the matters set out below
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128 the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
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129 accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is
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130 clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this
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131 governing document shall be agreed by South East Scotland Area
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132 Meeting in session and recorded by minute of the area meeting."
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133 it's the church. The dissolution clause is the same as for East
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134 Scotland above.
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135
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136 * I can't find a governing document for whatever charity is
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137 associated with West of Scotland
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138
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139 * Dundee Friends Property Trust
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141 * General Meeting for Scotland
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142
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143 Registering officers
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144 Prison visitors