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27 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)">
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28 <div style="text-align: center">
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29 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</h1>
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30 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div>
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31 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 24 April 2009, 5:30 p.m.</div>
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32 </div>
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34 <div>
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35 <h2>1. Attendance</h2>
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36 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding,
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37 Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade
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38 Eileen Schott, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p>
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39 <p>Prevented: Eileen Schott</p>
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40 </div>
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41 <div>
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42 <h2>2. Status of form distribution/collection</h2>
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43 <dl>
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44 <dt><b><a name="Financial_experts">Financial experts</a></b></dt><dd>LN has sent email summarising his telephone
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45 interviews with Paul Kenny, Caroline Evens and John Phillips.</dd>
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46 <dt><b><a name="Lettings_comparison">Lettings comparison</a></b></dt><dd>ES has done this, discussed last
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47 time. Some more info to come re out-of-town sites.</dd>
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48 <dt><b><a name="Quaker_groups">Quaker groups</a></b></dt><dd>MH sent email with interim results, has now
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49 gotten 12 replies, will re-circulate an updated tabulation</dd>
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50 <dt><b><a name="Central_Edinburgh">Central Edinburgh</a></b></dt><dd>HST has a substantial number of completed
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51 forms, will tabulate and circulate this evening.</dd>
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52 <dt><b><a name="Midweek_meeting">Midweek meeting</a></b></dt><dd>AB has tabulated the 8 returns she has received.</dd>
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53 <dt><b><a name="Local_meetings">Local meetings</a></b></dt><dd>PL has had replies from S. Edinburgh and
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54 Central Fife</dd>
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55 <dt><b><a name="MH_staff">MH staff</a></b></dt><dd>PL has only just received the individual
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56 responses. He also has a "discerned corporate response" from a meeting of MH staff.</dd>
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57 </dl>
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58 </div>
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59 <div>
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60 <h2>3. Additional input from the Meeting House Managers</h2>
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61 <p>We considered the question of whether we needed further input from the
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62 Meeting House Managers. They have conveyed a concern that we do not yet fully
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63 understand the nature of their work and the work of Meeting House staff. We
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64 agreed that HST will invite the MHMs to our next meeting, at the beginning.</p>
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65 </div>
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66 <div>
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67 <h2>4. Financial experts interviews</h2>
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68 <p>LN summarised. Overall answers were fairly similar, although they were
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69 arrived at by differing routes. All were enthusiastic about the property,
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70 albeit in one case in part because it offered such an attractive proposition as
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71 a rental property itself. None thought that selling was a good plan. Renting
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72 for ourselves was judged to be beset with difficulties. Minimum lease would
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73 likely be five years.</p>
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74 <p>A point which came up was that more use means more cost to offset wear
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75 and tear. The Festival is a particular case in point.</p>
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76 <p>This is to some extent subject to manipulation: by stopping the
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77 consumption of hot drinks in the Meeting Room, the wear and tear is reduced,
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78 but the Library gets more use as a breakout room, thereby reducing the
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79 opportunity for letting.</p>
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80 <p>There was not complete unanimity on the question of whether we should or
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81 could increase income by raising our letting rates.</p>
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82 <p>The question of strategy: maximising income versus maximising utility for
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83 Quaker use, comes up again. PL reminded us of the history of AM's decisions in
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84 this area.</p>
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85 <p>The proposition that we are subsidising groups by default was clarified:
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86 we do charge a low rate to some groups, which means that <i>if</i> no-one
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87 else was in the building by the time that group meets we end up losing money as
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88 against the cost of opening the building.</p>
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89 </div>
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90 <div>
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91 <h2>5. Responses from Quaker Groups</h2>
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92 <p>Although not dependent as such, many groups expressed a sense of
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93 ownership wrt 7VT. Overseers did feel dependent on 7VT as their base.</p>
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94 <p>"The atmosphere can be felt when you walk into the place" like any other
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95 religious place, so it's appropriate to meet here.</p>
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96 <p>The opportunity to plan in advance, and thereby had access to resources,
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97 was welcomed.</p>
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98 <p>Groups were willing to meet elsewhere. In particular, study groups were
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99 happier meeting in homes, for greater intimacy, and because it addresses
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100 childcare needs.</p>
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101 <p>Facilities generally liked, one or two niggles.</p>
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102 <p>Parking and, at least for the time being, access on foot a bit of a
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103 problem, but public transport good.</p>
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104 <p>Availability was characterised as 'good'. Some asked about the
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105 possibility of there being particular designated Quaker slots in the diary.</p>
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106 <p>Big meetings (e.g. Scotland GM) needed the whole building.</p>
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107 <p>Our ability to host young people's events was discussed in some detail</p>
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108 <p>The value of being a central venue was remarked on a number of times.</p>
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109 <p>Car parking will of course always be an issue for a central venue, but
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110 the impact of that on those with physical disabilities has to be managed.</p>
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111 </div>
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112 <div>
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113 <h2>6. Planning for open meetings</h2>
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114 <p>[Note that the date of the 1st meeting was changed following consultation
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115 to Sunday 26 April.]</p>
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116 <p>We agreed to have the meeting in the hall, and to start as early as we
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117 think feasable.</p>
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118 <p>Aim for 2:30 finish</p>
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119 <p>HST suggested opening with an introduction</p>
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120 <p>BM suggested that we had to include the basic outline of the financial
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121 difficulty that provoked the establishment of our group.</p>
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122 <p>LN wanted to be a bit less explicit, focussing on the broad picture, 20
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123 years on, 10 years with balanced books, 10 years during which a gap has opened up</p>
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124 <p>MH: The questionnaires and a lot of our fact-finding to date have been
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125 about the nature of our current (and immediately past) situation: now we need
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126 to look to the future.</p>
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127 <p>Focus on "What is your vision for the Quaker presence and witness in
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128 Central Edinburgh for the <i>next</i> 20 years." Offer an
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129 opportunity to stay behind afterwards for more focussed questions to the group.</p>
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130 <p>Is it appropriate to make notes during a worship sharing session? Yes,
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131 if it's made clear at the beginning, and explained as based on the special
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132 nature of the meeting itself.</p>
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133 <div>
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134 <h4>6.1. Meeting on 26 April</h4>
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135 <ul>
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136 <li>HST to introduce</li>
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137 <li>PL to take notes</li>
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138 <li>MH, BM, RR will also attend.</li>
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139 </ul>
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140 </div>
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141 <div>
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142 <h4>6.2. Meeting of 4 May [subject to revision]</h4>
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143 <ul>HST to introduce</ul>
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144 <ul>LN to take notes</ul>
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145 <ul>PL, MH, BM will also attend.</ul>
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146 </div>
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147 </div>
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148 <div>
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149 <h2>7. Actions review and new actions</h2>
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150 <p>ES to get some costs of out-of-town units </p>
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151 <p>HST to get publicity out about the vision input meetings. [done]</p>
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152 </div>
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153 <div>
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154 <h2>8. Next Meetings</h2>
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155 <p>Our next meeting will be at 7 Victoria Terrace at 5:30pm on Friday 1 May
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156 [RR apologies]. We
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157 tentatively agreed on Friday 15 May 5:30pm and Friday 29 May 5:30pm [apologies MH] for our next meeting after that.</p>
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