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| 27 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)"> | |
| 28 <div style="text-align: center"> | |
| 29 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</h1> | |
| 30 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div> | |
| 31 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 24 April 2009, 5:30 p.m.</div> | |
| 32 </div> | |
| 33 | |
| 34 <div> | |
| 35 <h2>1. Attendance</h2> | |
| 36 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding, | |
| 37 Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade | |
| 38 Eileen Schott, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p> | |
| 39 <p>Prevented: Eileen Schott</p> | |
| 40 </div> | |
| 41 <div> | |
| 42 <h2>2. Status of form distribution/collection</h2> | |
| 43 <dl> | |
| 44 <dt><b><a name="Financial_experts">Financial experts</a></b></dt><dd>LN has sent email summarising his telephone | |
| 45 interviews with Paul Kenny, Caroline Evens and John Phillips.</dd> | |
| 46 <dt><b><a name="Lettings_comparison">Lettings comparison</a></b></dt><dd>ES has done this, discussed last | |
| 47 time. Some more info to come re out-of-town sites.</dd> | |
| 48 <dt><b><a name="Quaker_groups">Quaker groups</a></b></dt><dd>MH sent email with interim results, has now | |
| 49 gotten 12 replies, will re-circulate an updated tabulation</dd> | |
| 50 <dt><b><a name="Central_Edinburgh">Central Edinburgh</a></b></dt><dd>HST has a substantial number of completed | |
| 51 forms, will tabulate and circulate this evening.</dd> | |
| 52 <dt><b><a name="Midweek_meeting">Midweek meeting</a></b></dt><dd>AB has tabulated the 8 returns she has received.</dd> | |
| 53 <dt><b><a name="Local_meetings">Local meetings</a></b></dt><dd>PL has had replies from S. Edinburgh and | |
| 54 Central Fife</dd> | |
| 55 <dt><b><a name="MH_staff">MH staff</a></b></dt><dd>PL has only just received the individual | |
| 56 responses. He also has a "discerned corporate response" from a meeting of MH staff.</dd> | |
| 57 </dl> | |
| 58 </div> | |
| 59 <div> | |
| 60 <h2>3. Additional input from the Meeting House Managers</h2> | |
| 61 <p>We considered the question of whether we needed further input from the | |
| 62 Meeting House Managers. They have conveyed a concern that we do not yet fully | |
| 63 understand the nature of their work and the work of Meeting House staff. We | |
| 64 agreed that HST will invite the MHMs to our next meeting, at the beginning.</p> | |
| 65 </div> | |
| 66 <div> | |
| 67 <h2>4. Financial experts interviews</h2> | |
| 68 <p>LN summarised. Overall answers were fairly similar, although they were | |
| 69 arrived at by differing routes. All were enthusiastic about the property, | |
| 70 albeit in one case in part because it offered such an attractive proposition as | |
| 71 a rental property itself. None thought that selling was a good plan. Renting | |
| 72 for ourselves was judged to be beset with difficulties. Minimum lease would | |
| 73 likely be five years.</p> | |
| 74 <p>A point which came up was that more use means more cost to offset wear | |
| 75 and tear. The Festival is a particular case in point.</p> | |
| 76 <p>This is to some extent subject to manipulation: by stopping the | |
| 77 consumption of hot drinks in the Meeting Room, the wear and tear is reduced, | |
| 78 but the Library gets more use as a breakout room, thereby reducing the | |
| 79 opportunity for letting.</p> | |
| 80 <p>There was not complete unanimity on the question of whether we should or | |
| 81 could increase income by raising our letting rates.</p> | |
| 82 <p>The question of strategy: maximising income versus maximising utility for | |
| 83 Quaker use, comes up again. PL reminded us of the history of AM's decisions in | |
| 84 this area.</p> | |
| 85 <p>The proposition that we are subsidising groups by default was clarified: | |
| 86 we do charge a low rate to some groups, which means that <i>if</i> no-one | |
| 87 else was in the building by the time that group meets we end up losing money as | |
| 88 against the cost of opening the building.</p> | |
| 89 </div> | |
| 90 <div> | |
| 91 <h2>5. Responses from Quaker Groups</h2> | |
| 92 <p>Although not dependent as such, many groups expressed a sense of | |
| 93 ownership wrt 7VT. Overseers did feel dependent on 7VT as their base.</p> | |
| 94 <p>"The atmosphere can be felt when you walk into the place" like any other | |
| 95 religious place, so it's appropriate to meet here.</p> | |
| 96 <p>The opportunity to plan in advance, and thereby had access to resources, | |
| 97 was welcomed.</p> | |
| 98 <p>Groups were willing to meet elsewhere. In particular, study groups were | |
| 99 happier meeting in homes, for greater intimacy, and because it addresses | |
| 100 childcare needs.</p> | |
| 101 <p>Facilities generally liked, one or two niggles.</p> | |
| 102 <p>Parking and, at least for the time being, access on foot a bit of a | |
| 103 problem, but public transport good.</p> | |
| 104 <p>Availability was characterised as 'good'. Some asked about the | |
| 105 possibility of there being particular designated Quaker slots in the diary.</p> | |
| 106 <p>Big meetings (e.g. Scotland GM) needed the whole building.</p> | |
| 107 <p>Our ability to host young people's events was discussed in some detail</p> | |
| 108 <p>The value of being a central venue was remarked on a number of times.</p> | |
| 109 <p>Car parking will of course always be an issue for a central venue, but | |
| 110 the impact of that on those with physical disabilities has to be managed.</p> | |
| 111 </div> | |
| 112 <div> | |
| 113 <h2>6. Planning for open meetings</h2> | |
| 114 <p>[Note that the date of the 1st meeting was changed following consultation | |
| 115 to Sunday 26 April.]</p> | |
| 116 <p>We agreed to have the meeting in the hall, and to start as early as we | |
| 117 think feasable.</p> | |
| 118 <p>Aim for 2:30 finish</p> | |
| 119 <p>HST suggested opening with an introduction</p> | |
| 120 <p>BM suggested that we had to include the basic outline of the financial | |
| 121 difficulty that provoked the establishment of our group.</p> | |
| 122 <p>LN wanted to be a bit less explicit, focussing on the broad picture, 20 | |
| 123 years on, 10 years with balanced books, 10 years during which a gap has opened up</p> | |
| 124 <p>MH: The questionnaires and a lot of our fact-finding to date have been | |
| 125 about the nature of our current (and immediately past) situation: now we need | |
| 126 to look to the future.</p> | |
| 127 <p>Focus on "What is your vision for the Quaker presence and witness in | |
| 128 Central Edinburgh for the <i>next</i> 20 years." Offer an | |
| 129 opportunity to stay behind afterwards for more focussed questions to the group.</p> | |
| 130 <p>Is it appropriate to make notes during a worship sharing session? Yes, | |
| 131 if it's made clear at the beginning, and explained as based on the special | |
| 132 nature of the meeting itself.</p> | |
| 133 <div> | |
| 134 <h4>6.1. Meeting on 26 April</h4> | |
| 135 <ul> | |
| 136 <li>HST to introduce</li> | |
| 137 <li>PL to take notes</li> | |
| 138 <li>MH, BM, RR will also attend.</li> | |
| 139 </ul> | |
| 140 </div> | |
| 141 <div> | |
| 142 <h4>6.2. Meeting of 4 May [subject to revision]</h4> | |
| 143 <ul>HST to introduce</ul> | |
| 144 <ul>LN to take notes</ul> | |
| 145 <ul>PL, MH, BM will also attend.</ul> | |
| 146 </div> | |
| 147 </div> | |
| 148 <div> | |
| 149 <h2>7. Actions review and new actions</h2> | |
| 150 <p>ES to get some costs of out-of-town units </p> | |
| 151 <p>HST to get publicity out about the vision input meetings. [done]</p> | |
| 152 </div> | |
| 153 <div> | |
| 154 <h2>8. Next Meetings</h2> | |
| 155 <p>Our next meeting will be at 7 Victoria Terrace at 5:30pm on Friday 1 May | |
| 156 [RR apologies]. We | |
| 157 tentatively agreed on Friday 15 May 5:30pm and Friday 29 May 5:30pm [apologies MH] for our next meeting after that.</p> | |
| 158 </div> | |
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