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1 Four Working versions of GA in the files (A--D), plus the reference
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2 version
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4 Plan was to read those. But haven't. Again. So maybe we should do
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5 that together. But larger things have
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6 been on my mind.
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8 Did reread most of the reference version. It struck me as extremely
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9 compressed, dense. A lot of mulling and consideration has been
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10 cmopressed in a small amount of prose.
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12 Maybe I/we should just read through it and "let the thing breath",
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13 [that is, try to expand that sort of density where we find it].
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15 One consideration of whether the religious (not theological)
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16 sensibility/attempt to tie the paper to religious themes -- how much
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17 weight should that have? For the moment that sensibility has been in
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18 the driver's seat. Not sure if that's best. Another possibility is
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19 to let the metaphysical content be given voice, and then to comment on their
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20 potential relation to religious sensibilities. In other words, give
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21 more emphasis to the world views and ease up on the religious
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22 impliciations.
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24 So, let this be an exposition of the metaphysics, and leave the
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25 religious connection until later.
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27 The undone homework is the get ahold of what the narrative arc of the paper
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28 is. It's not clear to me as it stands, but the above distinction is
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29 maybe necessary for giving some clarity.
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31 Brian will have a look at classifying some paragraphs wrt to whether
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32 the are primarily addressed towards exposition of the world view, or
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33 exposition of its relation to religious sensibility.
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35 ===== 4 March =====
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37 Brian has looked at sections 1&2 of the reference version. Doing a
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38 classification seemed good, color-coding for yellow for relig-sens,
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39 blue for exposition of world-view and green for the relationship.
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41 Section 2, pp 6--13, is almost all green. On 2nd reading, Brian says
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42 "mostly redundant".
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45 Let's say that this thing should be less compressed, more relaxed,
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46 easier to access for a non-academic audience
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48 1) Forget the 'G' part and r-s, just give a non-academic
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49 version of the world-view, just stated, not so much defended;
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51 2) Another, given that, what are the implications for not r-s as
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52 such, but the issues which have been dealt with by the religious
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53 traditions
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55 I worry about both of these - that a sort of secular summary (i.e. 1)
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56 will just devolve into a secular summary of 03 (Objects book)
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58 So given limited time, we focus on (2), relating the world-view to
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59 r-s.
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61 Because although that's what R-V is trying to do, but it's pretty bad
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62 at it.
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66 Trying to mine/milk "the current state of science" to prop up or
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67 ... the new world-view (ref. O3) and from that to derive morals.
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69 But a) the current state of science is not well enough articulated
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70 to give the reader a sense of the new world-view
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71 b) and it doesn't actually make the connection
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72 to lead the reader to a morality
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74 More seriously, the curret state of science doesn't so much compel the
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75 new world view as make room for it
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77 Does this mean that O3 needs to be updated to take account of what has
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78 happened since (e.g. LMMs). And to articulate the new world view.
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80 So how, given that we can't "full on" deliver the new wv here, what is
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81 the minimum necessary to declare victory -- what GA might/should do is
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82 to just _state_ the nwv, w/o trying to convincingly/thoroughly argue
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83 for it.
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87 The picture of science as it stands is not clear enough/compelling
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88 enough to support the morals I want to draw from it.
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90 New section 1: Look, these two sets of sensibilities can't be treated
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91 as independent anymore, because the subject matter of r-s have in fact
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92 been domesticated by scientific results.
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94 For example, the views that C. was attributing to FK, are that these
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95 two world-views. Maybe 'Quietist' should be 'Compatabilist', because
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96 FK was saying science is (just) an articulation of the glory of God's
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97 creation. _Ad maioram Dei gloriam_
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99 [HST summarises: The Quietist says "yes, the scientists are doing a
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100 great job on Question 1, and it gets better all the time, but that has
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101 nothing to do with Question 2: for that I have the Church"]
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103 The ideological claim wrt the s-r is that it's complete and sufficient.
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105 This (that these forms of thinking are distinct) is no longer a
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106 tenable division. [I.e. the compatibilist is mistaken]
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108 These two sets of world-views are no longer tenably opposed. Because
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109 people are trying to corral a whole bunch of topics into the scientific
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110 ones.
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112 Is there anything like a consensus/received wisdom as to what those
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113 two forms of understanding are? On the science side, people might
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114 assume that it's causal explanations (mechanism). The (r-s?) critique
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115 of that might be that the pure mechanism story can't even account for
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116 physical objects, to say nothing of
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117 intentionality/reference/social/purpose/beauty/love/humaneness.
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119 Call the Scientific world=view the scientific _register_.
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121 We've shifted from what can be said in the scientific register to what
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122 the scientific register is incapable of explaining.
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124 [HST:
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125 The Scientific ideological _claim_ wrt the s-r is that it's complete and sufficient.
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127 The Compatablilist position is that it's self-consistent, but _not_ sufficient.
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130 [HST: what's the other one?]
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132 [HST: write a two-page version? A skeleton]
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136 For discussion with Jill:
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137 1) Jim's visit;
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138 2) Repayment to Catharine
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139 3) BCS to New Brunswick in August