changeset 216:d22798363116

BPD getting started, through 17:04
author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
date Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:15:19 +0100
parents dd909b2db0ee
children e7c612f002e7
files HeavenOnEarth/notes.txt
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-  "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples [us],
-  and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and
-  traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in
-  observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within
-  you."  James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_
-  (from prison, printed 1659)
-  http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html
+
+  "And when God descends from heaven to walk on earth in his temples
+   [us], and to require his worship to himself out of all sects and
+   traditions, this is his entertainment from all that look for him in
+   observations, whose coming is within, and his kingdom is within
+   you."  James Nayler _What the Possession of the Living Faith Is_
+   (from prison, printed 1659)
+   http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/possess.html
+
+[Note also, and c.f. my earlier understanding of Barclay on the Day of Visitation,
+that QHP's vocabulary notes to Barclay's apology say
+
+  "_day_: period of time (not necessarily a calendar day)" ]
+   http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/index.html#vii.7
 
 Early Friends viewed heaven primarily as a matter of (intimate)
 relationship with and participation in God.
@@ -811,3 +818,54 @@
 "faithful remnant", managing your boundaries, and keeping yourselves
 as perserving the purity of their alternative vision, and so taking
 strict control of membership and members' behaviour, "in the meantime".
+
+
+========== Ben Pink Dandelion - _Later Quakers_ =========
+
+Different churches have different ways to wait faithfully, in the
+meantime, prior to the end time.
+
+For early Friends, we've come to the end of waiting, the Future has become the Now
+
+The New Covenant has come in to play.
+
+The rest are being held back by their ministers, so no tithes.
+
+The Christian calendar is not needed, the liturgy of the Mass is not
+needed, they were part of the needs of meantime, focussed on
+remembering the First Coming.  Ref. Corinthians 11:26
+    
+   "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim
+    the Lord's death _until he comes_." 1 Cor. 11:26 NRSV [emphasis
+    added]
+
+Our communion is Revelation 3:20; Revelation 8:1
+
+ "Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice
+  and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you
+  with me." Rev. 3:20 NRSV
+
+ "When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven
+  for about half an hour." Rev. 8:1 NRSV
+
+No need for separated buildings/times/priests/outward sacraments.
+
+A Second Coming liturgy, _after_ the reunion of Heaven and Earth,
+_after_ Jesus has come.
+
+No particular date, it is _unfolding_, a "realising eschatology".
+
+There's a debate in Quaker studies as to when a second period starts,
+call it Restoration Quakerism.  Quaker Act of 1662, or the shift in
+the Quaker message that begins in 1666, or maybe 1656 with the
+beginning of corporate testing, a slightly less prophetic Quakerism
+(ref. Moore and Allen).  Joke: perhaps the first period only lasted a
+couple of weeks.
+
+Fox goes into some despair in 1658 when Cromwell dies, but recovers in
+1659 cheers up a bit.
+
+C.f. 1656 A Trumpet sounded forth out of Zion, with 23 targets, the
+first is Oliver Cromwell.
+
+Paused at 17:04