--- a/QiS/What_are_QiS.txt	Tue Mar 26 21:43:51 2024 +0000
+++ b/QiS/What_are_QiS.txt	Wed Mar 27 13:24:18 2024 +0000
@@ -97,7 +97,7 @@
 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for
 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting
 trustees, approving their terms of reference and appointing their
-clerks and treasurer.
+clerks, among them the BYM Treasurer.
 
 2. Area meetings in Scotland governing documents
 
@@ -106,39 +106,89 @@
 
  * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
    (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as
-   East Scotland Area Meeting) does not make any overt distinction
-   between the charity and the church, although the phrases "(East
+   East Scotland Area Meeting) is based on the template provided by
+   Quaker Life
+   (https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final).
+   The template does not make any overt distinction between the church
+   and the charity, to my embarassment.  However the phrases "(East
    Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and
    in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is
    evidently the charity.
 
-   This sentence is of note: "If at a meeting of East Scotland Area
-   Meeting the members decide that it is necessary or advisable to
-   dissolve the Area Meeting or to amalgamate with another Area
-   Meeting _and this is agreed by Meeting for Sufferings_, the
-   trustees shall have the power to realise any assets held by or on
-   behalf of the Area Meeting."  [Emphasis added]
+   This sentence, taken unchanged from the template, is of note: "If
+   at a meeting of East Scotland Area Meeting the members decide that
+   it is necessary or advisable to dissolve the Area Meeting or to
+   amalgamate with another Area Meeting _and this is agreed by Meeting
+   for Sufferings_, the trustees shall have the power to realise any
+   assets held by or on behalf of the Area Meeting. Any assets
+   remaining after the satisfaction of any proper debts and
+   liabilities shall, _with the agreement of Meeting for Sufferings_, be
+   given or transferred to another Area Meeting, to Britain Yearly
+   Meeting, or to some other charitable institution or institutions
+   having objects similar to that of the area meeting and failing that
+   for such other charitable purpose as Britain Yearly Meeting shall
+   direct."  [Emphasis added]
 
  * The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends
    (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to
    below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and
-   formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting] likewise
-   does not make any overt distinction between the church and the
-   charity, to my embarassment.  "Subject to the matters set out below
-   the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
+   formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting] likewise is
+   based on the Quaker Life template.  "Subject to the matters set out
+   below the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
    accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is
    clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this
    governing document shall be agreed by South East Scotland Area
    Meeting in session and recorded by minute of the area meeting." 
-   it's the church.  The dissolution clause is the same as for East
-   Scotland above.
+   it's the church.  The dissolution clause is again taken from the
+   template, with the addition of GM for Scotland to the allowed
+   dispositions.
 
  * I can't find a governing document for whatever charity is
    associated with West of Scotland
 
- * Dundee Friends Property Trust
+ * Dundee Friends Property Trust was governed by a 130-odd-year-old deed
+   of trust, now superseded in 2009 by a governing document, which I
+   can't find online.  From the 2020 Annual Report:
+
+    "New trustees are appointed by the remaining trustees, who are
+     bound to select individuals in sympathy with the conditions of
+     the original Trust Deed and who shall, if possible, be
+     representative of Dundee Local Meeting. The majority of Trustees
+     shall be drawn from Dundee Local Meeting."
 
  * General Meeting for Scotland
 
+ * The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Wales and the Marches
+   - Cymdeithas Grefyddol y Cyfeillion (Crynwyr) yng Nghymru a’r
+   Gororau [know as Cynar] is a Charitable Incorporated Organisation
+   (CIO, comparable to an SCIO).  Its constitution (Linked from
+   https://www.symudymlaen2.org/) says that the members of the CIO are
+   "all members of the Constituent Area Meetings".  The constitution
+   describes "General meetings of the members of the CIO", and
+   mandates at least an Annual General Meeting.  The clerks of the
+   Constituent Bodies (the AMs and CCQW) constitute the "clerking
+   team" who set the agenda for GMs and provide a clerk for each of
+   them from among their number.  At least two members from each
+   Constituent Body must be present for a GM to be quorate.  The
+   Convenors of the NomComms of the COnstituent bodies constitute a
+   NomComm for the CIO, and prepare nominations for the trustees and
+   the Treasurer.  There must be at least one trustee from each
+   Constituent Body.
+
+   I'm told that "AM trustees will cease to exist, Cymar trustees will
+   fulfil the role of AM trustees, but for all 4 AMs and CCQW, so once
+   the assets have been handed over, bank accounts closed down and
+   final report and accounts prepared, then they can be released by
+   their respective AMs and leave the rest to [Cymar] to deal with."
+
+   It's not clear to me how this accords with QF&P 4.02
+   (https://qfp.quaker.org.uk/passage/4-02/) which says "Each area
+   meeting is a separate charitable entity and it may be required to
+   be registered as such with the relevant charity regulator. Area
+   meetings which are registered or preparing for registration will
+   operate under a formal governing document, which amongst other
+   matters should set out the arrangements for trusteeship."
+   
+
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