# HG changeset patch # User Henry S Thompson # Date 1689967265 -3600 # Node ID 929f8bd8292e9ade602fcd9fb1d4b4778ab0c6de # Parent 5620673f8809872bccc3ec1473073d5d78ab5dc7# Parent a04d9c5bea3eb948852124c7d8ac74966130cf3f merge diff -r 5620673f8809 -r 929f8bd8292e MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.html --- a/MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.html Fri Jul 21 20:20:30 2023 +0100 +++ b/MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.html Fri Jul 21 20:21:05 2023 +0100 @@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ 8b: IT - Email issues / Google Workspace
  • 2.3 MHM_2023-04-20 6a bullet 3: Staffing

  • 2.4 MHM_2023-04-20 9b bullet 4: Fabric and maintenance - secondary glazing in the kitchen of 4F

  • 2.4 MHM_2023-04-20 -9c: Fabric and maintenance

  • 3 Manager's update

  • 3.1 Quaker Centres Gathering

  • 3.2 PAT testing

  • 3.3 Risk Management Strategy

  • 4 Fringe update

  • 5 Victoria Terrace affordability group update

  • 6 Staffing

  • 6.1 Moving to operation with one resident manager

  • 6.2 Ongoing staffing issues

  • 7 Room hire & marketing

  • 7.1 Controversial bookings: Common Knowledge

  • 7.2 Quaker weddings: Griffiths/Lawrence

  • 8 IT

  • 8.1 Private and public networks

  • 8.2 Email issues

  • 9 Fabric and maintenance

  • 9.1 Large projects on hold

  • 9.2 Ongoing issues

  • 9.2.1 Meeting room wifi

  • 9.2.2 Glazing in flats

  • 9.2.3 Emergency phone in lift

  • 9.3 Carpets

  • 9.4 Signage

  • 10 Time without staff

  • A. Action items

  • 0 New convenor's welcome

    0 New convenor's welcome

    0.1 How HT will aim to handle our business

    For routine business we'll proceed informally, and HT will take notes. Suitably cleaned up and filled out, these will appear in the circulated minutes.

    For important matters, or for any matter by request, we'll move into Meeting for Worship for Church Affairs mode, HT acting as @@ -135,7 +135,7 @@ Quaker management teams about their situation, their difficulties and their strategies was very helpful.

    We heard particular details relevant to us of how others manage the booking process, incoming email and staffing. Integrating these is an urgent -project for us: MG and Majk Stokes will tackle planning for this +project for us: MG and Majk Stokes (MS) will tackle planning for this during August. We hope to get help from Hallmaster (the suppliers of our room booking software).

    3.2 PAT testing

    PAT testing is not required to be yearly. Visual checks, plus a 3-year cycle of testing should be fine. JN checked the insurance and @@ -168,7 +168,7 @@ been received as yet. They will visit again next week to look at accessibility issues.

    5 Victoria Terrace affordability group update

    Notes from meeting 2023-05-30

    See the above for details. Some topics of interest to us:

    • Quotes from various rental agents for the Upper Bow flat, with our without upgrading
    • Some details on the suggested use of some of the foyer as a café.

    If the cafe idea goes ahead, we would need to look at -possible impact on our relief from Council Tax.

    6 Staffing

    6.1 Moving to operation with one resident manager

    Background paper from MG

    See above for details. Key points:

    • Permanent part-time MH Assistant post not refilled, needs to be
    • Shift in Majk's role and hours
    • Two new casual staff

    Taken together this will free MG to do BizDev.

    Minute MHMC_2023-06-06_1 We ask Trustees to agree to the creation of a new permanent +possible impact on our relief from Council Tax.

    6 Staffing

    6.1 Moving to operation with one resident manager

    Background paper from MG

    See above for details. Key points:

    • Permanent part-time MH Assistant post not refilled, needs to be
    • Shift in MS's role and hours
    • Two new casual staff

    Taken together this will free MG to do BizDev.

    Minute MHMC_2023-06-06_1 We ask Trustees to agree to the creation of a new permanent part-time MH Assistant job starting in September, to be advertised widely.

    6.2 Ongoing staffing issues

    Issue for decision: Resident Assistant Warden post renewal

    Minute @@ -233,20 +233,24 @@ over-catered, but fridge issue sorted. Photographer will come early. IT for overlow in the Hall is an issue but we can work with what we have: Emma and Andy were aware of what the MH provided when they booked. - Additional purchase of AV equipment is not required, MG does not recommend it for AM. + Additional purchase of AV equipment is not required, MG does +not recommend it for AM just for this event. With respect to numbers, looks like 80–90 from outside invitees, not much feedback from - local Friends, but usual suspects would be 20–30, so probably 100+.

    8 IT

    8.1 Private and public networks

    Done, thanks to DS. Now two SSIDs: quaker (old + local Friends, but usual suspects would be 20–30, so probably 100+.

    With respect to AV, note that AM's plan to purchase an OWL +microphone/camera/speaker unit is fine on the understanding it's for general AM use.

    8 IT

    8.1 Private and public networks

    Done, thanks to DS. Now two SSIDs: quaker (old pw) and quaker-office (new, staff-only). Relevant instructions are in the 'WiFi' folder in the office filing cabinet, and on HT's personal machine at home.

    8.2 Email issues

    There's too much email on too many diverse topics coming in -to office@equaker.org.uk. Things get lost.

    Action HT, MG: Meet with Majk to explore +to office@equaker.org.uk. Things get lost.

    Action HT, MG: Meet with MS to explore options, e.g. multiple folders, multiple email addresses

    9 Fabric and maintenance

    In the past responsibility for keeping track of this topic has been delegated to a member of the committee.

    Action HT: Put this on the agenda for next time.

    9.1 Large projects on hold

    Heat pump, courtyard, waiting on finance (see MHMC minutes for 2023-04-20, item 9a)

    9.2 Ongoing issues

    9.2.1 Meeting room wifi

    Still broken

    Action HT: Meet with DS to discuss state of -networking in 7VT, possible remedial actions

    9.2.2 Glazing in flats

    Status unclear, issues with both 3F2 and 4F

    Action MG: Prepare brief report for next meeting

    9.2.3 Emergency phone in lift

    GSM dialler was installed in the lift on 2023-06-06, -engineer said that it is not at risk from end of voice -connnectivity.

    There is an issue with the (re)direction for -calls from this phone, which currently is set up to dial MG, then SS. +networking in 7VT, possible remedial actions

    9.2.2 Glazing in flats

    Status unclear, issues with both 3F2 and 4F

    Action MG: Prepare brief report for next meeting

    9.2.3 Emergency phone in lift

    Engineer has said that it is not at risk from end of voice +connnectivity.

    9.2.4 Intruder alarm

    A GSM dialler has been fitted to the intruder alarm and it no longer sounds +on the stair when the building is opened or closed.

    There is an issue with the (re)direction for +calls from this phone. If the alarm rings for longer than 30 seconds then it calls MG, then MS, then SS. It should not call the other two if MG answers the +phone. Currently it has returned to default settings and calls all of us. +Since our meeting IMMS have agreed to come in and reset the alarm this week. which currently is set up to dial MG, then SS. For obvious reasons, MG's work phone is set up to go to voicemail, but if that means the call is taken to have gone through, that's a problem.

    Action MG: Experiment further to determine @@ -259,7 +263,7 @@ in July, then poll for date/time.

    Action HT: Tell R&L that they have to vacate.

    Action HT: Ask DS for time at the next Affordability Group meeting (26 June 1200) for an informal chat with members of the MHC to discuss the flat(s).

    Action HT: Put this on the agenda for next time.

    Action HT: Meet with DS to discuss state of -networking in 7VT, possible remedial actions

    Action HT, MG: Meet with Majk to explore +networking in 7VT, possible remedial actions

    Action HT, MG: Meet with MS to explore options, e.g. multiple folders, multiple email addresses

    Action JN: forward MG anything we have along these lines.

    Action MG: Lone worker lanyard alarms. Carried forward.

    Action MG: Installing LED lighting. Carried forward.

    Action MG: Draft a proposal and send it, noting our agreement, to the Safety Officer of AM Trustees.

    Action MG: Prepare brief report for next meeting

    Action MG: Experiment further to determine what the facts are, contact engineer for advice if necessary

    Action MG: Send quotes to JN

    Action MG: Bring a proposal to MHMC in due diff -r 5620673f8809 -r 929f8bd8292e MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.pdf Binary file MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.pdf has changed diff -r 5620673f8809 -r 929f8bd8292e MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.xml --- a/MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.xml Fri Jul 21 20:20:30 2023 +0100 +++ b/MHMC/2023-06-06/minutes.xml Fri Jul 21 20:21:05 2023 +0100 @@ -313,7 +313,7 @@

    Engineer has said that it is not at risk from end of voice connnectivity.

    -
    +
    Intruder alarm

    A GSM dialler has been fitted to the intruder alarm and it no longer sounds on the stair when the building is opened or closed.

    diff -r 5620673f8809 -r 929f8bd8292e MHMC/2023-07-13/minutes.xml --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/MHMC/2023-07-13/minutes.xml Fri Jul 21 20:21:05 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,251 @@ + + + +]> + + + Minutes MHMC 2023-07-13 + Edinburgh Meeting House Management Committee + Henry S. Thompson, Convenor + Thursday 13 July 6:30 p.m., in 7 Victoria Terrace + + + +
    + Miranda Girdlestone (MG), Jackie Noltingk (JN), John +Phillips (JP), Laragh Quinney (LQ), Sue Sierra (SS), Henry Thompson (HT) + + Marilyn Higgins (MH), Neil Turner (NT), David +Sterratt (DS) +
    + +
    + Matters arising +
    + MHM_2023-06-06 1 Next +meeting +

    On HT: "Email membership ...": Done.

    +
    +
    + MHM_2023-04-20 6a bullet 3: Staffing +

    Carried forward.

    +

    Lone worker lanyard alarms.

    +
    +
    + <link href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/st5me0skwfrrm89/sesam-management-2023-04-20.docx?dl=0">MHM_2023-04-20</link> +9c: Fabric and maintenance +

    Carried forward.

    +

    Installing LED lighting.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#PAT">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 3.2 PAT Testing +

    Carried forward.

    Draft a proposal and send it, noting our agreement, to the Safety Officer of AM +Trustees.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#PAT">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 3.3 Risk management +strategy

    On JN: "forward MG anything we have along these lines". +Done, see also below under 4.1.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#staff">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 6.2 Ongoing staffing issues +

    On HT: "Tell R&L that they have to vacate." Done, with a minimum of fuss.

    +

    On HT: "Ask DS for time at the next Affordability Group +meeting (26 June 1200) for an informal chat with members of the MHC to discuss +the flat(s)". Not done, see below under 6 +Upper Bow Flats.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#email">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 8.2 Email issues +

    On HT, MG: "Meet with Majk Stokes (MS) to explore options, e.g. multiple folders, +multiple email addresses". Done, but more work needed. See below under Email issues

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#staffing">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9. Fabric and Maintenance +

    On HT: "Put [F&M specialist needed] on the agenda for next time." Done, see below under Fabric and Maintenance.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#wifi2f">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.2.1 Meeting room wifi +

    On HT: "Meet with DS to discuss state of networking in 7VT, possible remedial +actions." Done, but more work needed. See below under Meeting Room wifi.

    +
    + <link href="&prev;#glazing">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.2.2 +Glazing in flats +

    Carried forward.

    +

    Prepare brief report for next meeting

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#dialer">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.2.3 Emergency phone in lift +

    On MG: [error in original minutes]. Done.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#intruder">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.2.4 Intruder alarm +

    On MG: "Experiment further to determine what the facts are, contact engineer for advice if necessary"

    +

    See below under Alarm callout phone.

    +
    + <link href="&prev;#">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.3 Carpets +

    Carried forward.

    +

    Send quotes to JN.

    +
    +
    + <link href="&prev;#wifi2f">MHM_2023-06-06</link> 9.4 Signage +

    Carried forward.

    +

    Bring a proposal to MHMC in due +course.

    +
    +
    +
    + Convenor's report +

    HT still struggling to manage the multitude of Dropbox accounts, Google +groups and GMail accounts involved in this job.

    +

    Make all relevent Dropbox accounts and Google +groups use the MHMCC email address, i.e. sesam.emh.management@gmail.com.

    +

    MG and HST have agreed to have regular meetings to share status updates.

    +
    +
    + Manager's update +

    [festival news from MG, including JP's]

    +

    Green... might be interested

    +

    We need to talk about room rates. QCG meeting say Aug./Sep. is time. +Last year they put prices up 10/15%, but less this year to come. Smaller +groups/charity . Was discussed about this time last year, we'll look in the +minutes. November 2022 has some agreements, Item 7b in 2022-11-03

    +

    We said 'no' to DO days this year.

    +

    Put this on the agenda for next time.

    +

    Peace in the Heart has a block booking in October, but no news.

    +

    Contact AM Clerk for an about

    +

    Upper Bow drainpipe sorted ? There is another leak in the interior +courtyard which we have no clue about, but is dangerous in winter.

    +

    Tony Peach is getting frail, and struggling with lack of contact from the +office staff that he formerly enjoyed. We agreed that this is not part of +office staff's duties, and that other channels are in place for addressing his situation.

    +
    + Risk Management Strategy +

    MG is planning to take JP's task document [ref?] and look at all the tasks and see where +they need planned cover in case of whatever. NT has been working on an +assessment document. Some feedback from MG to NT (best via JK) on points that +he might want to include would be welcome. During COVID the MH Risk Assessment was updated +regularly in response to (changing) ScotGov regulations. Martin @@ is involve +with his AM H&S coordinator hat on.

    +

    Move that work forward, and share material with +JK as appropriate.

    +
    +
    +
    + Victoria Terrace affordability group update +

    Notes from meeting 2023-06-26

    +

    See the above for details. Some topics of interest to us:

    + + Some alternative back-of-the envelop financial plans + A lengthy discussion of the café idea + +
    +
    + Staffing +
    + Additional Meeting House Assistant +

    Last time we asked Trustees to agree to the creation of a new permanent + part-time MH Assistant job starting in September, to be + advertised widely, and they agreed. This has been put on hold.

    +

    MG decided the timing wasn't right so early, and will take that +forward in a month or so.

    +
    +
    + Additional casual staff +

    One candidate for casual staff, interviewed and was appropriate, will +be approached shortly with an offer. He would be able to cover Saturdays and Sundays. No +other applications, two other enquiries that didn't convert. MG will advertise +again, we are looking forward to a period of being short-staffed. Exploiting +routes into the post-graduate student communities might help.

    +
    +
    +
    + Room hire & marketing +
    + Quaker weddings: Griffiths/Lawrence +

    It all went smoothly.

    +
    +
    +
    + IT +
    + Email issues +
    + Booking form email issues +

    HT has fixed the major problem with Google refusing to allow booking +requests from the online form to pass through its hands.

    +

    A problem with the online form that means a default reply doesn't go +to the booker's email address remains, awaiting an upgrade to the underlying +web server.

    +

    Liaise with DS when he returns from holiday to +make sure this gets done.

    +
    +
    + Email to office@equaker +

    There's too much email on too many diverse topics coming in +to office@equaker.org.uk. Things get lost.

    +

    HT discussed this with MS, but needs more time to explore options.

    +

    Draft a proposal for upgrading email handling.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + Fabric and maintenance +
    + New committee member? +

    We need someone to cover the Staffing portfolio. Please send +suggestions to HT for him to include in a request to NomComm.

    +
    +
    + Large projects on hold +
    +
    + Ongoing issues +
    + Meeting room wifi +

    [HT] Deferred until September

    +
    +
    + Alarm callout phone +

    A GSM dialler has been fitted to the intruder alarm and it no longer sounds on the stair when the building is opened or closed.

    +

    There is an issue with the (re)direction for calls from this +phone. If the alarm rings for longer than 30 seconds then it calls MG, then MS, +then SS. It should not call the other two if MG answers the phone. Sounder +runs for 20 minutes, then turns off (Noise Abatement), but continues flashing. Currently it has returned to default settings and calls all of us. Since our meeting IMMS have agreed to come in and reset the alarm this week. which currently is set up to dial MG, then SS. For obvious reasons, MG's work phone is set up to go to voicemail, but if that means the call is taken to have gone through, that's a problem.

    +

    Unofficial test when someone (not actually an intruder) came in +through the stair, called MG, MS and SS, then around again, at which point MS picked up +and, we think, pressed '8' which is the way to signal that you've picked up +(solving the answerphone problem, because it doesn't press '8'). This stops +the calling, but someone still needs to come to the building to switch off the +alarm itself.

    +

    A subsequent intentional test has been done, leaving a few +questions but overall things are better.

    +
    +
    +
    +
    + 6 Upper Bow +

    Decision process for refurbishment, including discussion with VTAG

    +

    Quinquennial report [ref?] lists things that need repair. This is +involved at least to some extent.

    +

    Request from Richard West for furniture from 3F2. Rental agents all +agreed that we should rent the flat furnished.

    +

    Check the condition of the furniture RW has in +mind, and unless it's in bad shape tell RW 'no'.

    +
    +
    + Time without staff +
    +
    + Action items +
    +
    + +