# HG changeset patch # User Henry Thompson # Date 1681904094 -3600 # Node ID 7d141ed96dc605f190fad890aedebe50fcdfeb93 # Parent 6b11d3b68b1739777611a76c88d34431e6d30936# Parent 5ab34d237fb8c6952451865d737a28f13005bcba merge diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 EiCE/2022-09-14_notes.txt --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/EiCE/2022-09-14_notes.txt Wed Apr 19 12:34:54 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,53 @@ +*Location of children at AAM* + Central placement of the table makes a worshipful gathering harder + for the adults + No complaint wrt CC trying this, but now it's been raised, we should + consider it. + Motivation was making it possible for a wheelchair user to get to the + table. + 2) It is Elders' role to care for the holding of MfW, and we should + share our feelings about this and look for an alternative + resolution. + + 2) There's a more general issue here, which is that when things + overlap with our responsibilities, it would be helpful to involve + us in the discussion. + + *Action* Margaret to speak with Madeleine Harding _qua_ Convenor of +Childrens C'tee about the above two points. + +*World Quaker Day* + We have some unease about the whole idea. Being up there with World +Lawn Bowls day... + There is in any case an apparent overlap as to days with the + invitation for people to bring a child/newcomer with them. + + We agree not to do anything. + + *Action* Gareth to speak to Marilyn Higgins _qua_ member of the + Clerking Team to convey the above. + +*Secpnd half of the RESTORE programme* + Zoe has offered to do this on request. + + *Action* HST to ask Zoe to suggest a date, early November, same timing + as last time, i.e. after lunch. + +*State of Meeting* + David shared incidents lately when reading from the Bible resulted in + pushback. There's an asymmetry of tolerance: tolerance for + disinterest in or even dislike for traditional Christian + language/belief is required of us, but intolerance of these is common. + + How do we foreground that we are the _religious_ Society of Friends + in a way that is encouraging of respect, without feeling like being + accusing or sounding like special pleading... + + Individually we are feeling a bit lost spiritually ourselves, and a + lack of spiritual witness in the Meeting. + + There's also a lack of channels for service, to the community and to + the Meeting. + + Possible things to do: Someone from Woodbrooke, getting house groups + going. diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/Quakers Centres Meeting 2023.pdf Binary file MHMC/Quakers Centres Meeting 2023.pdf has changed diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/Self-Accessing Groups_v2.docx Binary file MHMC/Self-Accessing Groups_v2.docx has changed diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/access.html --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/MHMC/access.html Wed Apr 19 12:34:54 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,159 @@ + + +Access technology

Access technology

Henry S. Thompson
26 Mar 2023
Copyright © 2023 Henry S. Thompson CC-BY-SA

1. Introduction

I've had a quick look at the technology available to provide more +flexible access control into and within 7VT.

Per our previous discussion, it's worth distinguishing at least four +types of access we might consider (thanks to Majk for filling in details):

Front door
+
  • Outer door +  Two yale locks
  • Inner door +  Motorised. Currently push-panel activated in both directions, or just from inside + (locked from outside), or continuously open. Entryphone provides audio, but +no longer video, to remote panels on 1st (kitchen) and 2nd (outside the meeting +room) floors as well as a handset by the front desk, all of which can unlock +the inner door temporarily
+
Upper Bow stair door
Not locked from inside, yale lock for +entry from the stair. Will trigger intruder alarm if it's enabled.
Internal doors
+ +
Elevator
Currently can be turned off by a switch in the plant +room, not currently locked.

(I've assumed we won't change the exit-only emergency nature of the +double-doors at the bottom of the main staircase.)

Most of the companies whose websites I've looked at are aimed at either +homeowners or businesses. Some of the business-orientated ones at least +mention small businesses, which is probably the closest we're going to get for +our needs.

Below are summaries of the offerings from a few of the companies I've +looked at. We would not deal directly with any of them, but would need to +contract with a local specialist firm for installation. I presume we've got +someone on the books for maintainance of the current entryphone/door-opener +etc., but we may need a different outfit for a new system.

I've attempted estimates of cost below, but they are very +much under-informed by hard facts. I found one quote from an installer, copied +below, but I think for what we want that's an under-estimate by at least a +factor of two.

"The average starting cost for an access control security system is around £500-£800 per door. The average starting price for installing an access control system is around £300. A typical maintenance visit would cost you around £75-£125. It would cost you on average £92 to have your access control system repaired."

2. Manufacturers

2.1. Paxton

Recommended by the team at Augustine United: "the Paxton Net2 system [is] +very popular and something of a market leader".

Two relevant devices: A standard entry-panel and a door-latch.

Both are activated by a proximity card or fob, and both can be installed +for standalone use, with a master card used to +enable access cards, or as part of a network-controlled system for much more sophisticated usage patterns.

"Staff and visitors are issued with electronic tokens instead of +keys. User tokens can be added to the system in seconds by presenting an enrolment card to the door/entry-panel. + + +"If someone loses their token, it can be simply barred from the system by presenting a shadow card to a reader."

The entry-panel version would be the candidate for the front door, +replacing the existing panel.

The standalone system has three components: the entry panel, the +monitor(s) and the controller. I assume multiple monitors can be +used. It's not easy to find prices, but I am pretty confident that the parts +we need should be available for between £1000–2000. Installation would +be at least a person-day, I would guess, so could easily be £500 or more.

Upgrading to the next level, with full (PC and mobile app) software-based control of +token-holders, remote management, etc. would probably be as much again.

I think that only a further upgrade, and replacement of the +door panel, would get us to mobile-as-keycard functionality.

2.2. [Failed to find another system I could match to our needs]

I looked at approaching a dozen other websites, and they were all badly +designed, as well as being targeted at multi-tenant apartment buildings.

3. Local installers

3.1. Eden Group

List Paxton as a brand they supply, "Paxton Gold" supplier. 25 mostly good Google +reviews, mostly aerials rather than security, +individuals not corporate...

3.2. Safe Simple +Secure (S-S-S)

"Paxton Gold" supplier, security only, 125 Google reviews, 5-star +overall, at least one regarding commercial premises.

4. Next steps

Get a recommendation for an installer from Paxton's list, from Paradise +Green (the folks at AU), failing which go with S-S-S.

Invite them around for a visit and discussion, leading to an RFQ.

Get a quote from one other outfit at least (but maybe not yet?).

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+ Introduction +

I've had a quick look at the technology available to provide more +flexible access control into and within 7VT.

+

Per our previous discussion, it's worth distinguishing at least four +types of access we might consider (thanks to Majk for filling in details):

+ + + + Two yale locks + Motorised. Currently push-panel activated in both directions, or just from inside + (locked from outside), or continuously open. Entryphone provides audio, but +no longer video, to remote panels on 1st (kitchen) and 2nd (outside the meeting +room) floors as well as a handset by the front desk, all of which can unlock +the inner door temporarily + + + Not locked from inside, yale lock for +entry from the stair. Will trigger intruder alarm if it's enabled. + + + Yale lock + Yale lock + Yale locks + + + Currently can be turned off by a switch in the plant +room, not currently locked. + +

(I've assumed we won't change the exit-only emergency nature of the +double-doors at the bottom of the main staircase.)

+

Most of the companies whose websites I've looked at are aimed at either +homeowners or businesses. Some of the business-orientated ones at least +mention small businesses, which is probably the closest we're going to get for +our needs.

+

Below are summaries of the offerings from a few of the companies I've +looked at. We would not deal directly with any of them, but would need to +contract with a local specialist firm for installation. I presume we've got +someone on the books for maintainance of the current entryphone/door-opener +etc., but we may need a different outfit for a new system.

+

I've attempted estimates of cost below, but they are very +much under-informed by hard facts. I found one quote from an installer, copied +below, but I think for what we want that's an under-estimate by at least a +factor of two.

+ "The average starting cost for an access control security system is around £500-£800 per door. The average starting price for installing an access control system is around £300. A typical maintenance visit would cost you around £75-£125. It would cost you on average £92 to have your access control system repaired." +
+
+ Manufacturers +
+ <link href="https://www.paxton-access.com/">Paxton</link> +

Recommended by the team at Augustine United: "the Paxton Net2 system [is] +very popular and something of a market leader".

+

Two relevant devices: A standard entry-panel and a door-latch.

+

Both are activated by a proximity card or fob, and both can be installed +for standalone use, with a master card used to +enable access cards, or as part of a network-controlled system for much more sophisticated usage patterns.

+ "Staff and visitors are issued with electronic tokens instead of +keys. User tokens can be added to the system in seconds by presenting an enrolment card to the door/entry-panel. + +"If someone loses their token, it can be simply barred from the system by presenting a shadow card to a reader." +

The entry-panel version would be the candidate for the front door, +replacing the existing panel.

+

The standalone system has three components: the entry panel, the +monitor(s) and the controller. I assume multiple monitors can be +used. It's not easy to find prices, but I am pretty confident that the parts +we need should be available for between £1000–2000. Installation would +be at least a person-day, I would guess, so could easily be £500 or more.

+

Upgrading to the next level, with full (PC and mobile app) software-based control of +token-holders, remote management, etc. would probably be as much again.

+

I think that only a further upgrade, and replacement of the +door panel, would get us to mobile-as-keycard functionality.

+
+
+ [Failed to find another system I could match to our needs] +

I looked at approaching a dozen other websites, and they were all badly +designed, as well as being targeted at multi-tenant apartment buildings.

+
+
+
+ Local installers +
+ <link href="https://www.edengroup.co.uk/access-control/">Eden Group</link> +

List Paxton as a brand they supply, "Paxton Gold" supplier. 25 mostly good Google +reviews, mostly aerials rather than security, +individuals not corporate...

+
+
+ <link href="https://www.safesimplesecure.com/">Safe Simple +Secure</link> (S-S-S) +

"Paxton Gold" supplier, security only, 125 Google reviews, 5-star +overall, at least one regarding commercial premises.

+
+
+
+ Next steps +

Get a recommendation for an installer from Paxton's list, from Paradise +Green (the folks at AU), failing which go with S-S-S.

+

Invite them around for a visit and discussion, leading to an RFQ.

+

Get a quote from one other outfit at least (but maybe not yet?).

+
+ + diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/handover_notes.txt --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/MHMC/handover_notes.txt Wed Apr 19 12:34:54 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +Files on David's machine, Dropbox, etc. -- where for what? + +What's shared with Committee, what isn't + +DS: Email account - archive cleanup sesam.emh.management@gmail.com +DS: Google group sesam-emh-group@googlegroups.com + +Handover week of 3 April + +Manager attends from the beginning, but always a "Without staff" +period at the end. + +Meetings have become pretty regularly at 0930 on Thursdays +Aim for one in 2nd or 3rd week of April + +DS: Calendar -- Annual reviews, rates reviews +---------- +Ex Officio Trustee + +Meeting House affordability WG: Neil [] and David convening, Miranda, me, + Phil Lucas, Rachel Fitz +--------- +John Phillips is slowly demitting F&M responsibilities... +Phil Lucas has stepped down +Need a Trustee who is not a member of the Treasury Team, waiting on + Noms +Role of 'Staffing' is needed +Sue Sierra (South) is a member, volunteered to be a keyholder (M'Side) +Laragh Quinney 'Lettings and Marketing' (publicity leaflet, with MG) +Martin Ward (Kelso) might join? +JK as Treasury Team _ex officio_ + +[Website is run by DS, along with GM [quakerscotland.org], V40 and [equaker.org for bookings] + +Each site has distinct paths of responsible + + diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/sesam-management-2023-03-30.docx Binary file MHMC/sesam-management-2023-03-30.docx has changed diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 MHMC/sesam-management-2023-04-20-agenda.docx Binary file MHMC/sesam-management-2023-04-20-agenda.docx has changed diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 ross_armstrong_report.txt --- a/ross_armstrong_report.txt Fri Nov 11 14:13:27 2022 +0000 +++ /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 @@ -1,81 +0,0 @@ -Report of a meeting held on 23 May 2022 at the home of Ross Armstrong - -Ross Armstrong -Robin Leibman -Henry S Thompson - -Ross welcomed us to his home, and after a period of worship he shared -the history of his experience of Friends. His mother was raised a -Quaker by _her_ mother, a life-long Member. His father joined Friends -after his experience in a prisoner-of-war camp during World War II, -attending Meeting at Leyburn in Yorkshire. - -The family had connections with Brummana, where the family spent time -when he was young when his father was Head there, then lived near -Jordans when they returned to the UK, where he attended a -'progressive' school with a Quaker head. - -Although his upbringing was in a Christian environment, as a young -adult Ross was at first not a church-goer. He was however always -conscious of a need for a source of guidance in how he should live his -life, and for a while he looked for help with life decisions from the -_I Ching_, but that didn't last as responsibilities grew. - -During the 1980s Ross became involved in Palestinian issues. He began -working as a furniture maker and in the building trades, then -assistant manager at Hadeel, the Palestian shop on Queen Street. - -Ross started observing Ramadan around the time of the 1st Gulf War, -giving him an active, pervasive engagement with religious practice. -He began studing Arabic, a life-long project thereafter. He learned -the 1st Sura of the Quran, which became the cornerstone of his -practice. The nature of this, as a prayer that begins with 'In the -name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful' [Ross, -please replace with your preferred translation, this is just the first -one I found online], is so different from the caricature of Muslims as -fanatics. - -Ross has been coming to Meeting for Worship at Portobello and -Musselburgh for four or five years. He's been impressed by the depth -of some of the Quakers he has met. He realised recently that he has -made the transition from a "committed non-Attender" to acknowledging -he _was_ an Attender. He has really appreciated the Quaker method of -decision-making, in contrast to other experiences of committees. - -Turning to the question of Membership, Ross recalled that last autumn -his mother, who was a Trustee of Brummana, asked him to consider -applying for the Headship. He applied, and although he was not -appointed, the experience made him think again about Membership. -Seeing the achievements, the remarkable work that has been done by -Quakers, in particular Andrew Clark, a friend of his mother, led him -to recognition of how awesome can be some people's achievements, -leaving us a bit ashamed by comparison: how are _we_ working for the -Kingdom of Heaven. - -Ross finished by summarising where this has led him - * "Friends of Truth" can be goal and a daunting challenge. - * "What I think of God" is not relevant, what matters is what 'he' - has to say to me about how to live my life. - -And a few other topics we touched on: - -Ross's wife is as it were a lay preacher in the Zen temple in -portobello. He sees a lot of connections between their practice and -scriptures and ours. - -Ross sometimes gets into trouble for telling the truth. - -Meeting for Worship for Business can be an awe-filled experience. - -Once as Ross was leaving the Quaker Meeting House in Ramallah, he was -asked "are Quakers Christians?". Well, perhaps not as you probably -mean that: we have no Christology... - -Are the challenges for Ross in becoming a Member: Vietnam, Palestine, -now Ukraine, and Extinction Rebellion, are difficulties. Ross worries -about the apparent need to take sides: being driven by fear is not a -good starting point for decisions. - -As we reached the end of a discussion about the nature of Membership, -Ross said "I'm ready to be a member of the crew rather than a -passenger", and Henry and Robin agreed. diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 ross_armstrong_visit.txt --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/ross_armstrong_visit.txt Wed Apr 19 12:34:54 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +Maternal grandmothr a Quaker, mother raised Quaker + +Father became a Quaker after the 2nd WW, PoW..., attended Leyburn in +Yorkshire. + +Lebanon, then Jordans, and first-day school wasn't for him. +A Christian environment, but not a church-goer himself as a young adult. + +'Progressive' school with a Quaker head. + +Life decisions propelled him towards using the I Ching, but that +didn't last as responsibilities grew. + +1980s, became involved in Palestinian issues, various jobs, ended up +as a furniture maker and building trades, then assistant manager at +Hadeel. + +Started observing Ramadan around the time of the 1st Gulf War: an +active, pervasive engagement with religious practice, studied Arabic. + +Learned the 1st Sura, the cornerstone of his practice. The nature of +this as prayer that begins with '...merciful' is so different from the +caricature of Muslims as fanatics. + +Came to MfW at P&M for four or five years, impressed by the depth of +some of the Quakers he has met. Made the transition from a "committed +non-Attender" to acknowledging he _was_ an attender. Really +appreciated Quaker decision making in contrast to other experiences of +committees. + +Membership: Last autumn, Lebanon was for his father's job as Head at +Brummana, mother a Trustee, who visited regularly, and she asked him +to consider taking on that role. Applied but not appointed, but the +experience made him think again about membership, see the +achievements, the remarkable work that has been done by Quakers. +Andrew Clark, friend of his mother, awesome what one can achieve, +leaves us a bit ashamed by comparison: working of the Kingdom of +Heaven. + +"Friends of Truth" can be goal and a daunting challenge. + +"What I think of God" is not relevant, what matters is what 'he' has +to say to me about how to live my life. + +Wife is as it were a lay preacher in the Zen temple in Portobello. +There are a lot of connections between their practice and scriptures +and ours. + +Gets into trouble for telling the truth. + +As leaving QMH in Ramallah, "are Quakers Christians?" No +Christology... + +Obstacles? Vietnam, Palestine, now Ukraine, and XR, are +difficulties. Worries about the apparent need to take sides: being +driven by fear is not a good starting point for decisions. + +A member of the crew rather than a passenger. + +MfWfB can be an awesome experience + diff -r 6b11d3b68b17 -r 7d141ed96dc6 ross_campbell_report.txt --- /dev/null Thu Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 +0000 +++ b/ross_campbell_report.txt Wed Apr 19 12:34:54 2023 +0100 @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +Report of a meeting held on 23 May 2022 at the home of Ross Armstrong + +Ross Campbell +Robin Liebmann +Henry S Thompson + +Ross welcomed us to his home, and after a period of worship he shared +the history of his experience of Friends. His mother was raised a +Quaker by _her_ mother, a life-long Member. His father joined Friends +after his experience in a prisoner-of-war camp during World War II, +attending Meeting at Leyburn in Yorkshire. + +The family had connections with Brummana, where the family spent time +when he was young when his father was Head there (1957--1962), then +lived near Jordans when they returned to the UK, where he attended a +'progressive' school with a Quaker head. + +Although his upbringing was in a Christian environment, as a young +adult Ross was at first not a church-goer. He was however always +conscious of a need for a source of guidance in how he should live his +life, and for a while he looked for help with life decisions from the +_I Ching_, but that didn't last as responsibilities grew. + +During the 1980s Ross became involved in Palestinian issues. He began +working as a furniture maker and in the building trades, then +assistant manager at Hadeel, the Palestian shop on Queen Street. + +Ross started observing Ramadan around the time of the 1st Gulf War, +giving him an active, pervasive engagement with religious practice. +He began studing Arabic, a life-long project thereafter. He learned +the 1st Sura of the Quran, which became the cornerstone of his +practice. The nature of this, as a prayer that begins with 'In the +name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful' [Ross, +please replace with your preferred translation, this is just the first +one I found online], is so different from the caricature of Muslims as +fanatics. + +Ross has been coming to Meeting for Worship at Portobello and +Musselburgh for four or five years. He's been impressed by the depth +of some of the Quakers he has met. He realised recently that he has +made the transition from a "committed non-Attender" to acknowledging +he _was_ an Attender. He has really appreciated the Quaker method of +decision-making, in contrast to other experiences of committees. + +Turning to the question of Membership, Ross recalled that last autumn +his mother, who was a Trustee of Brummana, asked him to consider +applying for the Headship. He applied, and although he was not +appointed, the experience made him think again about Membership. +Seeing the achievements, the remarkable work that has been done by +Quakers, in particular Andrew Clark, a friend of his mother, led him +to recognition of how awesome can be some people's achievements, +leaving us a bit ashamed by comparison: how are _we_ working for the +Kingdom of Heaven. + +Ross finished by summarising where this has led him + * "Friends of Truth" can be goal and a daunting challenge. + * "What I think of God" is not relevant, what matters is what 'he' + has to say to me about how to live my life. + +And a few other topics we touched on: + +Ross's wife is as it were a lay preacher in the Zen temple in +portobello. He sees a lot of connections between their practice and +scriptures and ours. + +Ross sometimes gets into trouble for telling the truth. + +Meeting for Worship for Business can be an awe-filled experience. + +Once as Ross was leaving the Quaker Meeting House in Ramallah, he was +asked "are Quakers Christians?". Well, perhaps not as you probably +mean that: we have no Christology... + +Are the challenges for Ross in becoming a Member: Vietnam, Palestine, +now Ukraine, and Extinction Rebellion, are difficulties. Ross worries +about the apparent need to take sides: being driven by fear is not a +good starting point for decisions. + +As we reached the end of a discussion about the nature of Membership, +Ross said "I'm ready to be a member of the crew rather than a +passenger", and Henry and Robin agreed.