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author Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
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5 <head> 5 <head>
6 <title>SESAM and the Quakers in Scotland proposal</title> 6 <title>SESAM and the Quakers in Scotland draft proposal</title>
7 <author>Henry S. Thompson</author> 7 <author>Henry S. Thompson</author>
8 <date>1 April 2024</date> 8 <date>1 April 2024</date>
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174 business.</p> 174 business.</p>
175 <p>The above is intended to allow for a structure for the governance of the 175 <p>The above is intended to allow for a structure for the governance of the
176 <name>RSFS</name> very like the way in which Yearly Meeting and 176 <name>RSFS</name> very like the way in which Yearly Meeting and
177 Meeting for Sufferings together provide governance for Britain Yearly Meeting 177 Meeting for Sufferings together provide governance for Britain Yearly Meeting
178 (the church).</p> 178 (the church).</p>
179 <p>The appointment of trustees, of a Treasurer who is <emph>ex officio</emph> 179 <p>The amendment of the GD and the appointment of trustees, of a Treasurer who is <emph>ex officio</emph>
180 a Trustee, of a Nominations Committee and amending the GD should all be 180 a trustee and of a Nominations Committee should all be
181 identified in the GD as matters reserved to the <name>RSFS</name> in session.</p> 181 identified in the GD as matters reserved to the <name>RSFS</name> in session.
182 There should be at least one trustee from each Constituent Area Meeting.</p>
182 </div></div> 183 </div></div>
183 184
184 <div> 185 <div>
185 <title>Some extensive background, which has informed my thinking.</title> 186 <title>Some extensive background, which has informed my thinking.</title>
186 <p>Thanks to Jackie Noltingk, Erica Thomas and Lesley Richards for 187 <p>Thanks to Jackie Noltingk, Erica Thomas and Lesley Richards for
258 and "the charity". The charity is governed by the above referenced 259 and "the charity". The charity is governed by the above referenced
259 governing document, the church by the Red Book.</p> 260 governing document, the church by the Red Book.</p>
260 <p>Subsequent articles make clear that the Society, embodied in Yearly 261 <p>Subsequent articles make clear that the Society, embodied in Yearly
261 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for 262 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for
262 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting 263 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting
263 trustees, approving their terms of reference and appointing their 264 trustees, among them the BYM Treasurer, approving their terms of reference and appointing their
264 clerks, among them the BYM Treasurer.</p> 265 clerks.</p>
265 </div> 266 </div>
266 <div> 267 <div>
267 <title>East of Scotland</title> 268 <title>East of Scotland</title>
268 <p>The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends 269 <p>The governing document for the "Religious Society of Friends
269 (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as 270 (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as
270 East Scotland Area Meeting) is based on the template provided by 271 East Scotland Area Meeting)" is based on a template provided by
271 Quaker Life 272 Quaker Life
272 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</link>). 273 (<link href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</link>), which is distinct for the one for CIOs.
273 The template does not make any overt distinction between the church 274 The template does not make any overt distinction between the church
274 and the charity. However the phrases "(East 275 and the charity. However the phrases "(East
275 Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and 276 Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and
276 in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is 277 in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is
277 evidently the charity.</p> 278 evidently the charity.</p>
288 having objects similar to that of the area meeting and failing that 289 having objects similar to that of the area meeting and failing that
289 for such other charitable purpose as Britain Yearly Meeting shall 290 for such other charitable purpose as Britain Yearly Meeting shall
290 direct." [Emphasis added]</p></div> 291 direct." [Emphasis added]</p></div>
291 <div> 292 <div>
292 <title>South East Scotland</title> 293 <title>South East Scotland</title>
293 <p>The governing document for the Religious Society of Friends 294 <p>The governing document for the "Religious Society of Friends
294 (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to 295 (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to
295 below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and 296 below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and
296 formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting] likewise is 297 formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting]" likewise is
297 based on the Quaker Life template, sharing its lack of clarity on church 298 based on the Quaker Life template, sharing its lack of clarity on church
298 versus charity, to my embarrassment. "Subject to the matters set out 299 versus charity, to my embarrassment. "Subject to the matters set out
299 below the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in 300 below the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
300 accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is 301 accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is
301 clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this 302 clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this
326 <title>General Meeting for Scotland</title> 327 <title>General Meeting for Scotland</title>
327 <blockquote> 328 <blockquote>
328 <p>"There are five Trustees of General Meeting for Scotland who have responsibility to the Office of the Scottish Charity Registrar (OSCR) for the right ordering of General Meeting.</p> 329 <p>"There are five Trustees of General Meeting for Scotland who have responsibility to the Office of the Scottish Charity Registrar (OSCR) for the right ordering of General Meeting.</p>
329 <p>"General Meeting itself meets quarterly for business</p> 330 <p>"General Meeting itself meets quarterly for business</p>
330 <p>"General Meeting acts on behalf of Britain Yearly Meeting in such procedures as may be required by the Scottish Parliament and Scottish legal affairs."</p> 331 <p>"General Meeting acts on behalf of Britain Yearly Meeting in such procedures as may be required by the Scottish Parliament and Scottish legal affairs."</p>
331 <p><link href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting">https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting</link></p> 332 <p>[From <link href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting">https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting</link>]</p>
332 </blockquote> 333 </blockquote>
333 <p>GM's governing document is here: <link href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf">https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf</link>. It appears to be based on the Quaker Life template for Area Meetings.</p> 334 <p>GM's governing document is here: <link href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf">https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf</link>. It appears to be based on the Quaker Life template for Area Meetings.</p>
334 <p>Section <name>12. Constituent Meetings</name> says "i) General Meeting for Scotland consists of all the local Meetings in Scotland."</p> 335 <p>Section <name>12. Constituent Meetings</name> says "i) General Meeting for Scotland consists of all the local Meetings in Scotland."</p>
335 <p>QF&amp;P (13.54) gives area meetings responsibility for appointing prison 336 <p>QF&amp;P (13.54) gives area meetings responsibility for appointing prison
336 chaplains and "General Meeting for Scotland is responsible for 337 chaplains and "General Meeting for Scotland is responsible for
346 meeting, ..." (QF&amp;P 16.22,23)</p> 347 meeting, ..." (QF&amp;P 16.22,23)</p>
347 </div> 348 </div>
348 </div> 349 </div>
349 <div> 350 <div>
350 <title>The new structure for Wales and the Southern Marches</title> 351 <title>The new structure for Wales and the Southern Marches</title>
351 <p>The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Wales and the Marches 352 <p>The "Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Wales and the Marches
352 - Cymdeithas Grefyddol y Cyfeillion (Crynwyr) yng Nghymru a’r 353 - Cymdeithas Grefyddol y Cyfeillion (Crynwyr) yng Nghymru a’r
353 Gororau [know as Cynar] is a Charitable Incorporated Organisation 354 Gororau" [know as Cynar] is a Charitable Incorporated Organisation
354 (CIO, comparable to an <name>SCIO</name>). Its constitution (Linked from 355 (CIO, comparable to an <name>SCIO</name>). Its constitution (linked from
355 <link href="https://www.symudymlaen2.org/">https://www.symudymlaen2.org/</link>) says that the members of the CIO are 356 <link href="https://www.symudymlaen2.org/">https://www.symudymlaen2.org/</link>) says that the members of the CIO are
356 "all members of the Constituent Area Meetings". The constitution 357 "all members of the Constituent Area Meetings". The constitution
357 describes "General meetings of the members of the CIO", and 358 describes "General meetings of the members of the CIO", and
358 mandates at least an Annual General Meeting. The clerks of the 359 mandates at least an Annual General Meeting. The Clerks of the
359 Constituent Bodies (the AMs and CCQW) constitute the "clerking 360 Constituent Bodies (the AMs and CCQW) constitute the "clerking
360 team" who set the agenda for GMs and provide a clerk for each of 361 team" who set the agenda for GMs and provide a Clerk for each of
361 them from among their number. At least two members from each 362 them from among their number. At least two members from each
362 Constituent Body must be present for a GM to be quorate. The 363 Constituent Body must be present for a GM to be quorate. The
363 Convenors of the NomComms of the COnstituent bodies constitute a 364 Convenors of the NomComms of the Constituent bodies constitute a
364 NomComm for the CIO, and prepare nominations for the trustees and 365 NomComm for the CIO, and prepare nominations for the trustees and
365 the Treasurer. There must be at least one trustee from each 366 the Treasurer. There must be at least one trustee from each
366 Constituent Body.</p> 367 Constituent Body.</p>
367 <p> I'm told that "AM trustees will cease to exist, Cymar trustees will 368 <p> I'm told that "AM trustees will cease to exist, Cymar trustees will
368 fulfil the role of AM trustees, but for all 4 AMs and CCQW, so once 369 fulfil the role of AM trustees, but for all 4 AMs and CCQW, so once