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110 .footnote {width: 100%; font-size: 80%; float: none; clear: none}</style><title>SESAM and the Quakers in Scotland draft proposal</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)"><div style="text-align: center" class="head"><h1>SESAM and the Quakers in Scotland draft proposal</h1><hr/><div class="byline">Henry S. Thompson</div><div class="byline">1 April 2024</div><div class="copyright">Copyright &#xa9; 2024 <a href="http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/">Henry S. Thompson</a>&#160;<a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en">CC-BY-SA</a></div></div><div class="body"><div><h2>1. Introduction</h2><p>I have struggled at the last two threshing meetings about the proposed
111 governing document (now version of 2024-03-21, hereafter GD) for
112 Quakers in Scotland (<b>QiS</b>) to adequately convey my concerns. In
113 writing this I'm attempting to do better, not only with respect to
114 what I think is wrong, but also by suggesting how it could be fixed.</p><p>It's not short, and there's an even longer appendix of background
115 detail, so this section provides a summary.</p><p>In their cover letter for the draft GD sent to SESAM Trustees on
116 2024-01-06, the <b>QiS</b> Coordinating Group says</p><blockquote xmlns="" xmlns:x="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">"The Options for Scotland group [proposes] that we form a <i xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">single
117 charity</i> and that we form a <i xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">single body</i>. The idea of a single
118 body clearly needs more work to discern what this might look
119 like. It will take time. That idea is not part of what we are
120 asking you about here." (emphasis added)</blockquote><p>Not including a story about "the body" (which I'll call "the church" for
121 now) is the primary source of the problems the GD presents for SESAM. Until
122 this is fixed I recommend that:</p><blockquote xmlns="" xmlns:x="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
123 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">SESAM Trustees should advise SESAM that SESAM <i>should not</i> agree to
124 joining <b>QiS</b> without substantial changes to the governing document,
125 distinguishing between the charity and the church and making their
126 relationship explicit, following the model of the governing document
127 for Britain Yearly Meeting (the charity).</p>
128 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">An updated GD needs to make explicit provision for the possibility
129 of SESAM (the church) continuing <i>as</i> an Area Meeting while laying
130 down SESAM (the charity) <i>should it decide to do so</i>. There must be clarity on SESAM (the church)'s
131 status with respect to <b>QiS</b> (the church)</p>
132 </blockquote><p>In what follows I'll start by identifying the problems I see with the GD, and go on to
133 outline the kind of changes I think would improve it, to the point
134 where SESAM would support the creation of <b>QiS</b>, both church and
135 charity, take its place as part of <b>QiS</b> (the church) and consider
136 laying down SESAM (the charity) in favour of <b>QiS</b> (the charity).</p></div><div><h2>2. Problems with the GD</h2><p>The GD uses "Quakers in Scotland" for both the charity and the church, without
137 ever explicitly acknowledging that they are distinct. Sometimes
138 context makes clear which they are referring to, but not always.</p><p>There are two problems here:</p><ol class=" alpha"><li>The lack of a clear distinction between the two, exemplified
139 further by the calling letter for GM on 6 April 2024, which
140 describes the matter before the Meeting once as "a single Quaker
141 body" and once as "a single Quaker charity / body";</li><li>The very limited nature of what is said, or more often implied,
142 about the church. This is acknowledged in the quote above: "[the
143 body] is not part of what we are asking you about here".</li></ol><p>These problems arise in large part because, perfectly understandably,
144 the <b>QiS</b> Coordinating Group evidently started with a template for governing documents for
145 (English/Welsh) CIOs made available by Quaker Life
146 (<a href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/cio-constitution-template-agreed-2014">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/cio-constitution-template-agreed-2014</a>),
147 which embodies the same confusion*.</p><p>But <i>why</i> are these problems for SESAM, and even granted that they are, why do
148 they need to be fixed <i>now</i>?</p><p>They are problems because the existing Area Meetings' responsibilities
149 and activities as a worshipping body, governed by Meetings for Worship
150 for Church Affairs of their membership as set out in Quaker Faith and Practice (QF&amp;P), are largely
151 distinct from their responsibilities and activities as a charity,
152 governed by trustees. The former consist of, for example, the spiritual and
153 pastoral care of their members and their witness to their communities, grounded in our
154 testimonies, whereas the latter focus on
155 maintaining the Area Meeting's legal status and financial well-being.
156 As for Britain Yearly Meeting, whose succinct self-characterisation
157 recently has been "A simple church supported by a simple charity", so
158 it should be for Area Meetings. QF&amp;P has useful
159 guidance on this relationship throughout section 15. 15.03 is
160 particularly relevant:</p><p> "The law may assume that authority for determining action
161 passes to the trustees and the meeting may choose to do
162 this. However, under Gospel Order, the ultimate authority will
163 still lie with the gathered meeting."</p><p>The reasons these problems need to be fixed <i>now</i> are</p><ol class=" "><li>In general, because the current lack of clarity on the governance
164 structure of <b>QiS</b> makes it impossible for the members of SESAM to know how and to what
165 extent they will have any say in what happens to their assets and property.</li><li>In particular, because it is laid on Area Meeting
166 trustees to manage the assets of the Area Meeting in such a way as to
167 support the charitable objects of the Area Meeting, and without a
168 clear understanding of how that will continue to be true once those
169 assets are transferred to the <b>SCIO</b>, they would fail in that
170 responsibility, which the law expresses as <span>"[they</span> must] seek, in good
171 faith, to ensure that the charity acts in a manner which is consistent
172 with its purposes"</li></ol><p>A clear separation between the church and the charity is a simple first step towards the necessary clarifications.</p><div class="note footnote"><small><i><p>* Indeed SESAM (the charity)'s own governing document is also based on a
173 similar, more recent, template for non-incorporated Area Meetings from
174 Quaker Life
175 (<a href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</a>),
176 and so also suffers from these problems.</p>
177 <p>East of Scotland AM
178 and North of Scotland AM's governing documents are also based on the
179 non-incorporated Area Meeting template. Stewardship of North of
180 Scotland Quaker Trust is identified as a responsibility of NSAM
181 Trustees in their Terms of Reference. West of Scotland's document is
182 shorter, and perhaps based on an early template, compared to the
183 others.</p></i></small></div></div><div><h2>3. A note on terminology</h2><p>For clarity, hereafter
184 I'll call <b>QiS</b> (the charity) the <b>SCIO</b>, short for the (proposed) "Scottish Charitable
185 Incorporated Organisation" and I'll call <b>QiS</b> (the church) the <b>RSFS</b>, short
186 for the "Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Scotland".</p></div><div><h2>4. Improving the GD</h2><div><h4>4.1. Distinguishing the charity and the church</h4><p>The GD should make a clear distinction between the <b>SCIO</b> and
187 the <b>RSFS</b>, modelled on the distinction found in the governing document of
188 "Britain Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
189 (Britain Yearly Meeting)" as registered with the Charity Commission
190 (charity no. 1127633). Britain Yearly Meeting (BYM) is (an English)
191 Charitable Incorporated Organisation. Its governing document defines
192 that lengthy name as the charity and "The Religious Society of Friends
193 (Quakers) in Britain" as the church.</p></div><div><h4>4.2. The future of the Area Meeting(s)</h4><p>The GD should make it explicit that in the first instance
194 the four Area Meetings, as well as General Meeting for Scotland, will
195 continue to exist and function after the creation of the
196 <b>SCIO</b> and the <b>RSFS</b>. These five will constitute the <b>Constituent Meetings</b> of the
197 <b>RSFS</b>. Initially membership of the <b>RSFS</b> will be defined as
198 membership of any of the Constituent Area Meetings.</p><p>The GD should specify that transfer from the Constituent Meetings of</p><ul class=" "><li>their assets, properties and trusteeship to the <b>SCIO</b></li><li>their spiritual and pastoral activities and responsibilities to the
199 <b>RSFS</b></li></ul><p>will be at their discretion as to both timing and substance. Membership
200 matters should not be transferred to the <b>RSFS</b> until such time as
201 QF&amp;P recognises the <b>RSFS</b> as a body that can carry out the relevant
202 procedures per QF&amp;P chapter 11.</p><p>We feel strongly that many of our spiritual and pastoral activities
203 are best served in smaller constituencies that the <b>RSFS</b>. We
204 understand that some Area Meetings need to unburden themselves quickly
205 of some of their responsibilities, but we hope that they will wish to
206 retain some of them, particularly membership, pastoral care and
207 eldership.</p><p>Accordingly, the GD should make clear that for those things
208 <i>not</i> transfered to the <b>SCIO</b> and/or the <b>RSFS</b>, Constituent
209 Meetings will remain as parts of the Religious Society of Friends
210 (Britain), governed by the relevant parts of QF&amp;P.</p></div><div><h4>4.3. Governance of the <b>RSFS</b></h4><p>The GD should specify how the <b>RSFS</b> operates as a Quaker
211 Meeting. There should be an annual Meeting for Worship for Church Affairs open
212 to all members. At least in the short term the Clerks of the Constituent
213 Meetings should serve as the clerking team for this, with one of their number
214 actually serving as the Clerk on the day. Other Meetings could be held when
215 required. At least three representatives of each Constituent Meeting must be
216 present for any Meeting of the <b>RSFS</b> to be able to conduct
217 business.</p><p>The above is intended to allow for a structure for the governance of the
218 <b>RSFS</b> very like the way in which Yearly Meeting and
219 Meeting for Sufferings together provide governance for Britain Yearly Meeting
220 (the church).</p><p>The amendment of the GD and the appointment of trustees, of a Treasurer who is <i>ex officio</i>
221 a trustee and of a Nominations Committee should all be
222 identified in the GD as matters reserved to the <b>RSFS</b> in session.
223 There should be at least one trustee from each Constituent Area Meeting.</p></div></div><div><h2>5. Some extensive background, which has informed my thinking.</h2><p>Thanks to Jackie Noltingk, Erica Thomas and Lesley Richards for
224 helpful answers to my questions, and to Kathryn Gulliver and Piers Voysey for sending
225 me copies of their AM's governing documents.</p><div><h4>5.1. Mostly about QiS</h4><p>The General Meeting for Scotland (GM) mailing list were told
226 (2023-11-17), in regard to</p><p> "(1) The possibility of merging our existing 6 charities into a
227 single body, Quakers in Scotland.</p><p> "(2) How we might organise all our concerns and worship more
228 effectively as a single charity."</p><p>that</p><p> "The first step for (1) is to agree a governing document to replace
229 the six comparable documents that apply to our existing charities."</p><p>and</p><p> "Friends will hear more requests soon to join in important
230 discussions relating to (2)."</p><p>I've searched my inbox without success for any request to "join in
231 important discussions relating to (2)" until, possibly, the invitation
232 from <b>QiS</b>-CG (2024-03-11) to two "information and discussion sessions
233 on progress with work towards having a single body and charity for
234 Quakers in Scotland".</p><p>However the cover letter from <b>QiS</b> (2024-01-06) sent to SESAM Trustees
235 says</p><p> "The Options for Scotland group [proposes] that we form a single
236 charity and that we form a single body. The idea of a single body
237 clearly needs more work to discern what this might look like. It
238 will take time. That idea is not part of what we are asking you
239 about here."</p><p>In fact the document laid before us in the special Area Meeting on
240 15 January (Draft of 2023 12 29c.docx) had a lot to say about the
241 body. Or did it? As I read it at the time it didn't clearly
242 distinguish between the charity and the body, using the phrase
243 "Quakers in Scotland" in what I found to be confusing ways.</p><p>A new draft (Draft of 2024 03 21.docx) has just been made available,
244 with only modest changes from the earlier draft. I'll take it as
245 definitive with respect to what we will have before us on 6 April.
246 It hasn't changed much, if anything, of what I've found that makes me
247 uneasy about agreeing to adopt it.</p></div><div><h4>5.2. Existing models of church and charity structures</h4><div><h4>5.2.1. Britain Yearly Meeting</h4><p>The charity is Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain, and Britain
248 Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers),
249 Charity number: 1127633</p><p>The governing document for this
250 (<a href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/bym-governing-document-revised-min34-bym2014">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/bym-governing-document-revised-min34-bym2014</a>)
251 begins with the following definitions:</p><ol class=" alpha"><li>The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Britain refers to
252 the church in England, Scotland, Wales, the Channel Islands and
253 the Isle of Man, including all its local meetings for worship and
254 its constituent meetings for church affairs as well as all their
255 work [referred to below as <b>the Society</b>].</li><li>Britain Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
256 (Quakers) [<b>Britain Yearly Meeting</b>] refers to the centrally held
257 and managed policy, property, employment and work of the charity
258 constituted by this document.</li><li>Yearly Meeting in session [<b>Yearly Meeting</b>] refers to the annual
259 assembly that is open to all members of the Society.</li><li>Area Meetings are the main local meetings for church affairs and
260 these are the level of the Society at which individual membership
261 is held. Each Area Meeting is a separate charitable entity and
262 may be registered as such with the Charity Commission.</li><li><i>Quaker faith &amp; practice</i> is the current edition of the Book of
263 Christian discipline of the Religious Society of Friends
264 (Quakers) in Britain</li><li>Meeting for Sufferings is the standing representative body of the Society.</li><li>The term Friend refers to a member of the Society.</li></ol><p>Note that there are two clearly distinguished entities, "the church"
265 and "the charity". The charity is governed by the above referenced
266 governing document, the church by the Red Book.</p><p>Subsequent articles make clear that the Society, embodied in Yearly
267 Meeting in session and Meeting for Sufferings, is responsible for
268 amending the governing document, appointing Britain Yearly Meeting
269 trustees, among them the BYM Treasurer, approving their terms of reference and appointing their
270 clerks.</p></div><div><h4>5.2.2. East of Scotland</h4><p>The governing document for the "Religious Society of Friends
271 (Quakers) [in Britain] East Scotland Area Meeting (abbreviated as
272 East Scotland Area Meeting)" is based on a template provided by
273 Quaker Life
274 (<a href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final">https://www.quaker.org.uk/documents/governing-document-for-am-cc-approved-11-2022-final</a>), which is distinct for the one for CIOs.
275 The template does not make any overt distinction between the church
276 and the charity. However the phrases "(East
277 Scotland) Area Meeting in session" clearly refer to the church, and
278 in "3. Object The object of East Scotland Area Meeting" it is
279 evidently the charity.</p><p>This sentence, taken unchanged from the template, is of note: "If
280 at a meeting of East Scotland Area Meeting the members decide that
281 it is necessary or advisable to dissolve the Area Meeting or to
282 amalgamate with another Area Meeting <i>and this is agreed by Meeting
283 for Sufferings</i>, the trustees shall have the power to realise any
284 assets held by or on behalf of the Area Meeting. Any assets
285 remaining after the satisfaction of any proper debts and
286 liabilities shall, <i>with the agreement of Meeting for Sufferings</i>, be
287 given or transferred to another Area Meeting, to Britain Yearly
288 Meeting, or to some other charitable institution or institutions
289 having objects similar to that of the area meeting and failing that
290 for such other charitable purpose as Britain Yearly Meeting shall
291 direct." [Emphasis added]</p></div><div><h4>5.2.3. South East Scotland</h4><p>The governing document for the "Religious Society of Friends
292 (Quakers) in Britain: South East Scotland Area Meeting [referred to
293 below as South East Scotland Area Meeting or the area meeting and
294 formerly known as South East Scotland Monthly Meeting]" likewise is
295 based on the Quaker Life template, sharing its lack of clarity on church
296 versus charity, to my embarrassment. "Subject to the matters set out
297 below the resources of the area meeting shall be administered in
298 accordance with this governing document by the trustees..." is
299 clearly talking about the charity, whereas "Amendments to this
300 governing document shall be agreed by South East Scotland Area
301 Meeting in session and recorded by minute of the area meeting."
302 it's the church. The dissolution clause is again taken from the
303 template, with the addition of GM for Scotland to the allowed
304 dispositions.</p></div><div><h4>5.2.4. Dundee Friends Property Trust</h4><p>This was governed by a 130-odd-year-old deed
305 of trust, superseded in 2009 by a governing document, which I
306 can't find online. From the 2020 Annual Report:</p><p>"New trustees are appointed by the remaining trustees, who are
307 bound to select individuals in sympathy with the conditions of
308 the original Trust Deed and who shall, if possible, be
309 representative of Dundee Local Meeting. The majority of Trustees
310 shall be drawn from Dundee Local Meeting."</p></div><div><h4>5.2.5. North of Scotland</h4><p>Their governing document is also based on the Quaker Life template.
311 Stewardship of North of Scotland Quaker Trust is identified as a
312 responsibility of NSAM Trustees in their Terms of Reference.</p></div><div><h4>5.2.6. General Meeting for Scotland</h4><blockquote xmlns="" xmlns:x="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
313 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">"There are five Trustees of General Meeting for Scotland who have responsibility to the Office of the Scottish Charity Registrar (OSCR) for the right ordering of General Meeting.</p>
314 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">"General Meeting itself meets quarterly for business</p>
315 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">"General Meeting acts on behalf of Britain Yearly Meeting in such procedures as may be required by the Scottish Parliament and Scottish legal affairs."</p>
316 <p xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">[From <a href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting">https://www.quakerscotland.org/general-meeting</a>]</p>
317 </blockquote><p>GM's governing document is here: <a href="https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf">https://www.quakerscotland.org/sites/quakerscotland.org/files/documents/Governing%20Document%20amended%202021.pdf</a>. It appears to be based on the Quaker Life template for Area Meetings.</p><p>Section <b>12. Constituent Meetings</b> says "i) General Meeting for Scotland consists of all the local Meetings in Scotland."</p><p>QF&amp;P (13.54) gives area meetings responsibility for appointing prison
318 chaplains and "General Meeting for Scotland is responsible for
319 providing [their names] to the governors of all prison establishments
320 in the area meeting area".</p><p>A similar story, without the involvement of GM, obtains for
321 registering officers. "Each area meeting shall appoint a suitable
322 Friend as registering officer ... the area meeting ... shall report
323 [the appointment] to the Recording Clerk without delay, by minute
324 signed by the clerk ... The Recording Clerk is required to certify all
325 such appointments ... in Scotland, to the Registrar General for
326 Scotland"; "The registering officer, acting on behalf of the area
327 meeting, ..." (QF&amp;P 16.22,23)</p></div></div><div><h4>5.3. The new structure for Wales and the Southern Marches</h4><p>The "Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) in Wales and the Marches
328 - Cymdeithas Grefyddol y Cyfeillion (Crynwyr) yng Nghymru a&#x2019;r
329 Gororau" [know as Cynar] is a Charitable Incorporated Organisation
330 (CIO, comparable to an <b>SCIO</b>). Its constitution (linked from
331 <a href="https://www.symudymlaen2.org/">https://www.symudymlaen2.org/</a>) says that the members of the CIO are
332 "all members of the Constituent Area Meetings". The constitution
333 describes "General meetings of the members of the CIO", and
334 mandates at least an Annual General Meeting. The Clerks of the
335 Constituent Bodies (the AMs and CCQW) constitute the "clerking
336 team" who set the agenda for GMs and provide a Clerk for each of
337 them from among their number. At least two members from each
338 Constituent Body must be present for a GM to be quorate. The
339 Convenors of the NomComms of the Constituent bodies constitute a
340 NomComm for the CIO, and prepare nominations for the trustees and
341 the Treasurer. There must be at least one trustee from each
342 Constituent Body.</p><p> I'm told that "AM trustees will cease to exist, Cymar trustees will
343 fulfil the role of AM trustees, but for all 4 AMs and CCQW, so once
344 the assets have been handed over, bank accounts closed down and
345 final report and accounts prepared, then they can be released by
346 their respective AMs and leave the rest to [Cymar] to deal with."</p><p> It's not clear to me how this accords with QF&amp;P 4.02
347 (<a href="https://qfp.quaker.org.uk/passage/4-02/">https://qfp.quaker.org.uk/passage/4-02/</a>) which says "Each area
348 meeting is a separate charitable entity and it may be required to
349 be registered as such with the relevant charity regulator. Area
350 meetings which are registered or preparing for registration will
351 operate under a formal governing document, which amongst other
352 matters should set out the arrangements for trusteeship."
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