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23 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: First meeting</h1> | |
24 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div> | |
25 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 5 January 2009, 7:30 p.m.</div> | |
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27 | |
28 <div> | |
29 <h2>1. Attendance</h2> | |
30 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Alastair Cameron, Madeleine Harding, Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade, | |
31 Eileen Schott, Don Stubbings, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p> | |
32 </div> | |
33 <div> | |
34 <h2>2. Introductions</h2> | |
35 <p>The members of the working group gave brief self-introductions</p> | |
36 </div> | |
37 <div> | |
38 <h2>3. Background</h2> | |
39 <p>Alastair Cameron, on behalf of Area Meeting gave us | |
40 some background:</p> | |
41 <ul> | |
42 <li>What is our vision for what Quakers need as a physical presence in Edinburgh?</li> | |
43 <li>This includes the possibility of not having a large central building | |
44 of any kind. It's assumed that this would lead to a reduction in expenditure | |
45 and effort.</li> | |
46 <li>AM looking for renewal of its sense of what its presence in Edinburgh | |
47 should be</li> | |
48 <li>We are on the cusp of a number of substantial items of expenditure, | |
49 which are perhaps a bit difficult to motivate without a clear underlying vision.</li> | |
50 </ul> | |
51 <p>Don Stubbings, who was | |
52 instrumental in raising some of the questions we will be considering:</p> | |
53 <ul> | |
54 <li>Don has served for many years on Fabric and Maintenance</li> | |
55 <li>Costs coming: | |
56 <ul> | |
57 <li>Toilets need renewed</li> | |
58 <li>Heating is a problem</li> | |
59 <li>The flats are an ongoing financial drain</li> | |
60 <li>The kitchen is scheduled for a refit</li> | |
61 <li>The roof is being refurbished, and is involving more and costing | |
62 more than expected, taking up most of our cash reserves</li> | |
63 <li>Children's space restructuring? Interacts with the kitchen refit.</li> | |
64 </ul> | |
65 </li> | |
66 </ul> | |
67 <p>The above might add up to 200K GBP over the next few years. The expense | |
68 of the roof repairs stimulated a consideration of whether we should be | |
69 more-or-less uncritically committing to maintaining an old building which will | |
70 likely continue to require substantial investment. This eventually led to a | |
71 presentation to AM in August. In the twenty years since we purchased 7VT, no | |
72 overall review of our use of the premises has been undertaken.</p> | |
73 <p>Our circumstances have changed in many ways over that time, including | |
74 changes in external regulation: Child Protection, Health and Safety, Food | |
75 Sanitation. The rental of our premises has also evolved, alongside an increase | |
76 in the number of other churches etc. who make premises available. The issue of | |
77 balance between income generated and operating costs, given our commitment to | |
78 charging very low rents for Quaker groups/other groups with certain specified qualities.</p> | |
79 <p>At the same time, the awareness of many Quaker users of the premises does | |
80 not extend beyond Meeting for Worship on a Sunday.</p> | |
81 <p>One view of the balance sheet is that we are running at a 20K/annum | |
82 deficit. Some members clearly see this as an acceptable cost, others think at | |
83 the very least the AM needs to explicitly acknowledge this.</p> | |
84 <p>The possibility of moving towards 7VT as the Scottish equivalent of | |
85 Friends House has been raised, and deserves to be re-considered, without losing | |
86 sight of the history of our previous, failed, attempt to do so.</p> | |
87 <p>Trustees have initiated their own review, and put a hold on all capital | |
88 expenditure until this group has reported.</p> | |
89 <p>Some of these issues interact with aspects of the role of the paid | |
90 meetinghouse staff.</p> | |
91 <p>One way of looking at the financial side is to see the deficit as the | |
92 rent that AM pays for the use we get from the building.</p> | |
93 <p>Phil Lucas recalled that on his and Pat's arrival as Wardens in 1994, the | |
94 building was running at a loss, but they were given the explicit goal of making | |
95 the building pay for itself. He believes that the revenue account balanced | |
96 from around 1997. It's the capital expenditures which provoke the deficit</p> | |
97 <p>Henry Thompson summarised that we have to both get clear what the actual | |
98 numbers are, and then decide how we are going to <i>treat</i> those | |
99 numbers, and that we have a lot of choices in how we arrive at a summary to | |
100 underpin our search for a vision. Rufus Read suggested that a cash flow | |
101 forecast would be a tool to help in this regard.</p> | |
102 <p>Henry Thompson and others attempted to recall the reasons we sold Stafford | |
103 Street and bought 7 Victoria Terrace:</p> | |
104 <ul> | |
105 <li>Meeting room itself was an awkward L-shaped space, on first floor, | |
106 up a narrow staircase—some elderly/infirm friends had stopped attending;</li> | |
107 <li>Need for larger/better children and teenagers space;</li> | |
108 <li>Desire | |
109 to share facilities with other groups</li> | |
110 <li>We explored non-central locations, came | |
111 to view a central location as not only an equal tax on everyone in terms of | |
112 transport, but also a value in itself as an opportunity for witness.</li> | |
113 </ul> | |
114 </div> | |
115 <div> | |
116 <h2>4. Topics for next meeting</h2> | |
117 <ul> | |
118 <li>Questions we might ask;</li> | |
119 <li>Whom we might ask, and who will take responsibility for getting | |
120 answers from them;</li> | |
121 <li>What examples might we look at;</li> | |
122 <li>Getting a cashflow forecast and a cashflow history</li> | |
123 </ul> | |
124 </div> | |
125 <div> | |
126 <h2>5. Next Meeting</h2> | |
127 <p>Our next meeting will be at 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday 13th January at 7 | |
128 Victoria Terrace.</p> | |
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