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27 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Sixth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)"> | |
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29 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Sixth meeting</h1> | |
30 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div> | |
31 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 8 March 2009, 7:30 p.m.</div> | |
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33 | |
34 <div> | |
35 <h2>1. Attendance</h2> | |
36 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding, Phil Lucas, | |
37 Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, | |
38 Eileen Schott, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p> | |
39 </div> | |
40 <div> | |
41 <h2>2. External lettings survey forms, and anecdote</h2> | |
42 <p>Anthony Buxton shared a number of completed survey forms filled in by | |
43 external letting clients. ES reviewed these. There were 28 forms, 24 from | |
44 2008: we don't know what proportion of the total clients this represents. Most | |
45 of the tick-box ratings are good or excellent. There are positive comments | |
46 about individual staff being helpful, the negative comments are about rooms | |
47 being too small, or cold, or the state of the toilets. The one thing that | |
48 looks like it could be improved is "the accuracy of information received".</p> | |
49 <p>HST talked with Anthony about an example which he had heard of from a | |
50 friend, in which a group had stopped a long-standing regular let because they | |
51 could no longer bring their sandwiches.</p> | |
52 </div> | |
53 <div> | |
54 <h2>3. Review of envisaging futures</h2> | |
55 <p>Brainstorming</p> | |
56 <ul> | |
57 <li>Day-time letting only?</li> | |
58 <li>Quaker Centre?</li> | |
59 <li>Full-service Rain Forest Cafe? Year-round? | |
60 <ul> | |
61 <li>Rain Forest Cafe and/or Festival to pay for the kitchen refit, over time?</li> | |
62 </ul> | |
63 </li> | |
64 <li>Quaker presence?</li> | |
65 <li>Eliminate regular bookings in favour of blocks?</li> | |
66 <li>A Quaker-only centre? | |
67 <ul> | |
68 <li>From March AM: Simplify things and restrict to Quaker usage</li> | |
69 </ul> | |
70 </li> | |
71 <li>Move out | |
72 <ul> | |
73 <li>And buy a building to be just a meeting house</li> | |
74 <li>And use rented accommodation</li> | |
75 <li>And meet as house groups</li> | |
76 <li>And share a building, either new or rented—Nicholson Square | |
77 Methodist Church; Southside Community Centre; new Prestonfield Community Centre</li> | |
78 </ul> | |
79 </li> | |
80 <li>Primarily seen as a physical resource for the AM, with other activities complementing that</li> | |
81 <li>Simplify the food side? Reduce the kitchen to hot-drinks only?</li> | |
82 <li>From March AM: Raise money to make the building more attractive [to lettings?]</li> | |
83 <li>Being open to young Quaker groups?</li> | |
84 <li>Doing (whatever we do) in <i>our own space</i></li> | |
85 <li>Being a base for outreach?</li> | |
86 <li>Provide courses for Quakers (and non-Quakers) -- Quaker Quest all year round</li> | |
87 <li>Move kitchen to ground-floor, replacing office/Bow room, and make the | |
88 foyer a real cafe [new from Anthony Buxton via HST after the meeting]</li> | |
89 </ul> | |
90 </div> | |
91 <div> | |
92 <h2>4. Food hygiene regulations</h2> | |
93 <p>We discussed the complexities of the interaction between details of use | |
94 and details of regulations. We were uncomfortable with the extent to which the | |
95 letter of the law has been applied, and wondered whether in practice we should | |
96 be willing to formulate a level of not-quite-strictly enforcing some things. | |
97 AM trustees are looking into this, but perhaps not with the urgency we need.</p> | |
98 <p>The problem with people bringing in their own food is, we are told, the | |
99 risk of cross-contamination, but most groups are now happy with having food | |
100 catered in when an all-day event involves a meal.</p> | |
101 </div> | |
102 <div> | |
103 <h2>5. Towards a timetable</h2> | |
104 <p>HST attempted a brief exercise in working backwards from our notional | |
105 deadline of 6 June for a report to AM.</p> | |
106 <p>We asked ourselves, based on others' expectations, whether we will report | |
107 on a series of options, their costs and benefits, or whether we will make "a | |
108 recommendation". The general feeling seems to be not to make a recommendation.</p> | |
109 <div> | |
110 <h4>5.1. Draft table of contents</h4> | |
111 <ol> | |
112 <li>Background/history/introduction</li> | |
113 <li>Financial background/situation</li> | |
114 <li>Description of the building</li> | |
115 <li>Current use of building (some history)</li> | |
116 <li>Regulatory impact</li> | |
117 <li> | |
118 Alternative futures | |
119 <ul> | |
120 <li>In 7 Victoria Terrace | |
121 <ul> | |
122 <li>Less</li> | |
123 <li>The Same</li> | |
124 <li>More</li> | |
125 </ul> | |
126 </li> | |
127 <li>Elsewhere | |
128 <ul> | |
129 <li>Own [build/refit/share]</li> | |
130 <li>Hire [sole tenants/share]</li> | |
131 </ul> | |
132 </li> | |
133 </ul> | |
134 </li> | |
135 </ol> | |
136 </div> | |
137 </div> | |
138 <div> | |
139 <h2>6. Next time</h2> | |
140 <p>Agree means for gathering input from interested constituencies.</p> | |
141 <p>Discuss regulatory impact situation with Mark Hutcheson.</p> | |
142 </div> | |
143 <div> | |
144 <h2>7. Actions review and new actions</h2> | |
145 <p>HST to get the Kath Russell report [<b>pending</b>], and some letting evaluation | |
146 forms, say from 4Q2008, and circulate [<b>done</b>]. Also ask if any | |
147 summary or collation has been done [<b>done</b>, answer is 'no'].</p> | |
148 <p>HST to ask John Phillips for an electronic version of his notes for us</p> | |
149 <p>HST to ask Ken Jobling where to find the details of how food hygiene regulations | |
150 apply depending on exactly what's happening. [<b>pending</b>]</p> | |
151 <p>HST to invite Mark Hutcheson to one of our meetings at his earliest | |
152 convenience, as Convenor of AM Trustees. [<b>done</b>]</p> | |
153 </div> | |
154 <div> | |
155 <h2>8. Next Meeting</h2> | |
156 <p>Our next meeting will be at 7 Victoria Terrace at 5:15pm on Sunday 22 | |
157 March. Mark Hutcheson will join us at the beginning. We | |
158 tentatively agreed on Friday 3 April 5:30pm for our next meeting after that.</p> | |
159 <p>HST will be away on 22 March, PL will convene this meeting.</p> | |
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