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27 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)"> | 28 </style><title>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</title></head><body style="font-family: DejaVu Sans, Arial; background: rgb(254,250,246)"><div style="text-align: center"><h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</h1><div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div><div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 24 April 2009, 5:30 p.m.</div></div><div><h2>1. Attendance</h2><p>Present: Madeleine Harding, |
28 <div style="text-align: center"> | 29 Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p><p>Prevented: Alison Burnley, Eileen Schott</p></div><div><h2>2. Status of form distribution/collection</h2><dl><dt><b><a name="Financial_experts">Financial experts</a></b></dt><dd>LN has sent email summarising his telephone |
29 <h1>Future of 7 VT working group: Ninth meeting</h1> | 30 interviews with Paul Kenny, Caroline Evens and John Phillips.</dd><dt><b><a name="Lettings_comparison">Lettings comparison</a></b></dt><dd>ES has done this, discussed last |
30 <div class="byline">This informal summary by Henry S. Thompson, Convenor</div> | 31 time. Some more info to come re out-of-town sites.</dd><dt><b><a name="Quaker_groups">Quaker groups</a></b></dt><dd>MH sent email with interim results, has now |
31 <div class="byline">Held at 7 Victoria Terrace, Edinburgh on 24 April 2009, 5:30 p.m.</div> | 32 gotten 12 replies, will re-circulate an updated tabulation</dd><dt><b><a name="Central_Edinburgh">Central Edinburgh</a></b></dt><dd>HST has a substantial number of completed |
32 </div> | 33 forms, will tabulate and circulate this evening.</dd><dt><b><a name="Midweek_meeting">Midweek meeting</a></b></dt><dd>AB has tabulated the 8 returns she has received.</dd><dt><b><a name="Local_meetings">Local meetings</a></b></dt><dd>PL has had replies from S. Edinburgh and |
33 | 34 Central Fife</dd><dt><b><a name="MH_staff">MH staff</a></b></dt><dd>PL has only just received the individual |
34 <div> | 35 responses. He also has a "discerned corporate response" from a meeting of MH staff.</dd></dl></div><div><h2>3. Additional input from the Meeting House Managers</h2><p>We considered the question of whether we needed further input from the |
35 <h2>1. Attendance</h2> | |
36 <p>Present: Alison Burnley, Madeleine Harding, | |
37 Phil Lucas, Brian Mayes, Laurie Naumann, Rufus Reade | |
38 Eileen Schott, Henry Thompson (in the clerk's chair)</p> | |
39 <p>Prevented: Eileen Schott</p> | |
40 </div> | |
41 <div> | |
42 <h2>2. Status of form distribution/collection</h2> | |
43 <dl> | |
44 <dt><b><a name="Financial_experts">Financial experts</a></b></dt><dd>LN has sent email summarising his telephone | |
45 interviews with Paul Kenny, Caroline Evens and John Phillips.</dd> | |
46 <dt><b><a name="Lettings_comparison">Lettings comparison</a></b></dt><dd>ES has done this, discussed last | |
47 time. Some more info to come re out-of-town sites.</dd> | |
48 <dt><b><a name="Quaker_groups">Quaker groups</a></b></dt><dd>MH sent email with interim results, has now | |
49 gotten 12 replies, will re-circulate an updated tabulation</dd> | |
50 <dt><b><a name="Central_Edinburgh">Central Edinburgh</a></b></dt><dd>HST has a substantial number of completed | |
51 forms, will tabulate and circulate this evening.</dd> | |
52 <dt><b><a name="Midweek_meeting">Midweek meeting</a></b></dt><dd>AB has tabulated the 8 returns she has received.</dd> | |
53 <dt><b><a name="Local_meetings">Local meetings</a></b></dt><dd>PL has had replies from S. Edinburgh and | |
54 Central Fife</dd> | |
55 <dt><b><a name="MH_staff">MH staff</a></b></dt><dd>PL has only just received the individual | |
56 responses. He also has a "discerned corporate response" from a meeting of MH staff.</dd> | |
57 </dl> | |
58 </div> | |
59 <div> | |
60 <h2>3. Additional input from the Meeting House Managers</h2> | |
61 <p>We considered the question of whether we needed further input from the | |
62 Meeting House Managers. They have conveyed a concern that we do not yet fully | 36 Meeting House Managers. They have conveyed a concern that we do not yet fully |
63 understand the nature of their work and the work of Meeting House staff. We | 37 understand the nature of their work and the work of Meeting House staff. We |
64 agreed that HST will invite the MHMs to our next meeting, at the beginning.</p> | 38 agreed that HST will invite the MHMs to our next meeting, at the beginning.</p></div><div><h2>4. Financial experts interviews</h2><p>LN summarised. Overall answers were fairly similar, although they were |
65 </div> | |
66 <div> | |
67 <h2>4. Financial experts interviews</h2> | |
68 <p>LN summarised. Overall answers were fairly similar, although they were | |
69 arrived at by differing routes. All were enthusiastic about the property, | 39 arrived at by differing routes. All were enthusiastic about the property, |
70 albeit in one case in part because it offered such an attractive proposition as | 40 albeit in one case in part because it offered such an attractive proposition as |
71 a rental property itself. None thought that selling was a good plan. Renting | 41 a rental property itself. None thought that selling was a good plan. Renting |
72 for ourselves was judged to be beset with difficulties. Minimum lease would | 42 for ourselves was judged to be beset with difficulties. Minimum lease would |
73 likely be five years.</p> | 43 likely be five years.</p><p>A point which came up was that more use means more cost to offset wear |
74 <p>A point which came up was that more use means more cost to offset wear | 44 and tear. The Festival is a particular case in point.</p><p>This is to some extent subject to manipulation: by stopping the |
75 and tear. The Festival is a particular case in point.</p> | |
76 <p>This is to some extent subject to manipulation: by stopping the | |
77 consumption of hot drinks in the Meeting Room, the wear and tear is reduced, | 45 consumption of hot drinks in the Meeting Room, the wear and tear is reduced, |
78 but the Library gets more use as a breakout room, thereby reducing the | 46 but the Library gets more use as a breakout room, thereby reducing the |
79 opportunity for letting.</p> | 47 opportunity for letting.</p><p>There was not complete unanimity on the question of whether we should or |
80 <p>There was not complete unanimity on the question of whether we should or | 48 could increase income by raising our letting rates.</p><p>The question of strategy: maximising income versus maximising utility for |
81 could increase income by raising our letting rates.</p> | |
82 <p>The question of strategy: maximising income versus maximising utility for | |
83 Quaker use, comes up again. PL reminded us of the history of AM's decisions in | 49 Quaker use, comes up again. PL reminded us of the history of AM's decisions in |
84 this area.</p> | 50 this area.</p><p>The proposition that we are subsidising groups by default was clarified: |
85 <p>The proposition that we are subsidising groups by default was clarified: | |
86 we do charge a low rate to some groups, which means that <i>if</i> no-one | 51 we do charge a low rate to some groups, which means that <i>if</i> no-one |
87 else was in the building by the time that group meets we end up losing money as | 52 else was in the building by the time that group meets we end up losing money as |
88 against the cost of opening the building.</p> | 53 against the cost of opening the building.</p></div><div><h2>5. Responses from Quaker Groups</h2><p>Although not dependent as such, many groups expressed a sense of |
89 </div> | 54 ownership wrt 7VT. Overseers did feel dependent on 7VT as their base.</p><p>"The atmosphere can be felt when you walk into the place" like any other |
90 <div> | 55 religious place, so it's appropriate to meet here.</p><p>The opportunity to plan in advance, and thereby had access to resources, |
91 <h2>5. Responses from Quaker Groups</h2> | 56 was welcomed.</p><p>Groups were willing to meet elsewhere. In particular, study groups were |
92 <p>Although not dependent as such, many groups expressed a sense of | |
93 ownership wrt 7VT. Overseers did feel dependent on 7VT as their base.</p> | |
94 <p>"The atmosphere can be felt when you walk into the place" like any other | |
95 religious place, so it's appropriate to meet here.</p> | |
96 <p>The opportunity to plan in advance, and thereby had access to resources, | |
97 was welcomed.</p> | |
98 <p>Groups were willing to meet elsewhere. In particular, study groups were | |
99 happier meeting in homes, for greater intimacy, and because it addresses | 57 happier meeting in homes, for greater intimacy, and because it addresses |
100 childcare needs.</p> | 58 childcare needs.</p><p>Facilities generally liked, one or two niggles.</p><p>Parking and, at least for the time being, access on foot a bit of a |
101 <p>Facilities generally liked, one or two niggles.</p> | 59 problem, but public transport good.</p><p>Availability was characterised as 'good'. Some asked about the |
102 <p>Parking and, at least for the time being, access on foot a bit of a | 60 possibility of there being particular designated Quaker slots in the diary.</p><p>Big meetings (e.g. Scotland GM) needed the whole building.</p><p>Our ability to host young people's events was discussed in some detail</p><p>The value of being a central venue was remarked on a number of times.</p><p>Car parking will of course always be an issue for a central venue, but |
103 problem, but public transport good.</p> | 61 the impact of that on those with physical disabilities has to be managed.</p></div><div><h2>6. Planning for open meetings</h2><p>[Note that the date of the 1st meeting was changed following consultation |
104 <p>Availability was characterised as 'good'. Some asked about the | 62 to Sunday 26 April.]</p><p>We agreed to have the meeting in the hall, and to start as early as we |
105 possibility of there being particular designated Quaker slots in the diary.</p> | 63 think feasable.</p><p>Aim for 2:30 finish</p><p>HST suggested opening with an introduction</p><p>BM suggested that we had to include the basic outline of the financial |
106 <p>Big meetings (e.g. Scotland GM) needed the whole building.</p> | 64 difficulty that provoked the establishment of our group.</p><p>LN wanted to be a bit less explicit, focussing on the broad picture, 20 |
107 <p>Our ability to host young people's events was discussed in some detail</p> | 65 years on, 10 years with balanced books, 10 years during which a gap has opened up</p><p>MH: The questionnaires and a lot of our fact-finding to date have been |
108 <p>The value of being a central venue was remarked on a number of times.</p> | |
109 <p>Car parking will of course always be an issue for a central venue, but | |
110 the impact of that on those with physical disabilities has to be managed.</p> | |
111 </div> | |
112 <div> | |
113 <h2>6. Planning for open meetings</h2> | |
114 <p>[Note that the date of the 1st meeting was changed following consultation | |
115 to Sunday 26 April.]</p> | |
116 <p>We agreed to have the meeting in the hall, and to start as early as we | |
117 think feasable.</p> | |
118 <p>Aim for 2:30 finish</p> | |
119 <p>HST suggested opening with an introduction</p> | |
120 <p>BM suggested that we had to include the basic outline of the financial | |
121 difficulty that provoked the establishment of our group.</p> | |
122 <p>LN wanted to be a bit less explicit, focussing on the broad picture, 20 | |
123 years on, 10 years with balanced books, 10 years during which a gap has opened up</p> | |
124 <p>MH: The questionnaires and a lot of our fact-finding to date have been | |
125 about the nature of our current (and immediately past) situation: now we need | 66 about the nature of our current (and immediately past) situation: now we need |
126 to look to the future.</p> | 67 to look to the future.</p><p>Focus on "What is your vision for the Quaker presence and witness in |
127 <p>Focus on "What is your vision for the Quaker presence and witness in | |
128 Central Edinburgh for the <i>next</i> 20 years." Offer an | 68 Central Edinburgh for the <i>next</i> 20 years." Offer an |
129 opportunity to stay behind afterwards for more focussed questions to the group.</p> | 69 opportunity to stay behind afterwards for more focussed questions to the group.</p><p>Is it appropriate to make notes during a worship sharing session? Yes, |
130 <p>Is it appropriate to make notes during a worship sharing session? Yes, | |
131 if it's made clear at the beginning, and explained as based on the special | 70 if it's made clear at the beginning, and explained as based on the special |
132 nature of the meeting itself.</p> | 71 nature of the meeting itself.</p><div><h4>6.1. Meeting on 26 April</h4><ul><li>HST to introduce</li><li>PL to take notes</li><li>MH, BM, RR will also attend.</li></ul></div><div><h4>6.2. Meeting of 4 May [subject to revision]</h4><ul><li>HST to introduce</li><li>LN to take notes</li><li>PL, MH, BM will also attend.</li></ul></div></div><div><h2>7. Actions review and new actions</h2><p>ES to get some costs of out-of-town units </p><p>HST to get publicity out about the vision input meetings. [done]</p></div><div><h2>8. Next Meetings</h2><p>Our next meeting will be at 7 Victoria Terrace at 5:30pm on Friday 1 May |
133 <div> | |
134 <h4>6.1. Meeting on 26 April</h4> | |
135 <ul> | |
136 <li>HST to introduce</li> | |
137 <li>PL to take notes</li> | |
138 <li>MH, BM, RR will also attend.</li> | |
139 </ul> | |
140 </div> | |
141 <div> | |
142 <h4>6.2. Meeting of 4 May [subject to revision]</h4> | |
143 <ul>HST to introduce</ul> | |
144 <ul>LN to take notes</ul> | |
145 <ul>PL, MH, BM will also attend.</ul> | |
146 </div> | |
147 </div> | |
148 <div> | |
149 <h2>7. Actions review and new actions</h2> | |
150 <p>ES to get some costs of out-of-town units </p> | |
151 <p>HST to get publicity out about the vision input meetings. [done]</p> | |
152 </div> | |
153 <div> | |
154 <h2>8. Next Meetings</h2> | |
155 <p>Our next meeting will be at 7 Victoria Terrace at 5:30pm on Friday 1 May | |
156 [RR apologies]. We | 72 [RR apologies]. We |
157 tentatively agreed on Friday 15 May 5:30pm and Friday 29 May 5:30pm [apologies MH] for our next meeting after that.</p> | 73 tentatively agreed on Friday 15 May 5:30pm and Friday 29 May 5:30pm [apologies MH] for our next meeting after that.</p></div></body></html> |
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