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annotate BCS_HST_2024-06-19/otter_ai.txt @ 37:fa0956544a90

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author	Henry Thompson <ht@markup.co.uk>
date	Fri, 08 Nov 2024 10:37:40 -0500
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6 abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	1 BCS 0:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	2 Record says recording here,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	3
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	4 HST 0:03
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	5 yep, it just I clicked it as you spoke, or just before or something like that, right? How are you doing? You? Do you Well, I said this last time, and you disagreed with me, but you look okay, yes, oh, I [mixed up]
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	6
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	7 BCS 0:17
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	8 actually think I am okay this time.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	9
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	10 BCS 0:22
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	11 I I'm a little
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	13 BCS 0:32
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	14 compromised in various ways which I'm going to tell you about,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	15
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	16 BCS 0:35
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	17 sure, well,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	18
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	19 Speaker 2 0:38
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	20 one of them being that I haven't done my homework for a reason. I want to try to explain, actually, but,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	21
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	22 HST 0:45
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	23 well, I mean, it was a short it was short notice, but I figure we do this, oh, I don't know. It's like going, this is a comparison I use too often in too many ways. It's like we used to do with the kids, which was that we would go to the west coast of Scotland for the Maybank holiday weekend every year, and without paying any attention to what the weather forecast was, because you needed to book in advance to get a cheap place and so on. And sometimes that meant famously. And you know, family history is a good thing eating our sandwiches in a phone booth on the ferry pier between sky and Razi because it was raining too hard, didn't want to sit in the car to have our picnic. But sometimes it meant, you know, swimming off white sand beaches in arise in 20 degree weather, and it looked and felt like the Caribbean. So you win some and you lose some. Then if this is not, well, they're not as well prepared as you'd like, then we'll talk anyway. We'll talk
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	24
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	25 Speaker 2 1:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	26 anyway. And I have a question about substance. So here's the problem.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	27
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	28 BCS 2:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	29 I have to get [should continue as BCS]
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	30
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	31 Speaker 2 2:02
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	32 the final draft of the reflections book to the press by July 8, right[HST] which, which deadline I'm not going to make, but I need to make it enough that my good standing with the press remains such that I can get an extension, and I think even the uncertainty about my lifespan, to say nothing of maybe just efficiency overall, I just need to do that. So this morning, I kind of thought, Look, am I going to spend the morning reading old versions of God, approximately which I would like to do? And I slapped myself on the other wrist.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	33
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	34 BCS 2:54
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	35 Is that a well founded instruction?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	36
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	37 BCS 2:56
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	38 Probably not. But anyway, I mean,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	39
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	40 BCS 3:04
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	41 and have been working on it.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	42
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	43 HST 3:08
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	44 That's that, I mean, you, you are the only person who can correctly set your priorities
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	45
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	46 BCS 3:13
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	47 right. So I think I have to do that now. July 8 is not very far away. [HST]No, it's not[HST]. So that might mean delaying our project by rather short amount of time. But realism, the aforementioned realism, means it'll probably mean deferring it for longer than that. But
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	48
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	49 HST 3:34
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	50 understood, but we can, we can reduce, at the very least, reduce the frequency, but I may try to keep it ticking over one way or
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	52 BCS 3:41
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	53 another. Yeah? Sure, sure. Well,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	54
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	55 Speaker 2 3:42
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	56 so here's a question, if I can just plunge in. Maybe there are other of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	57
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	58 BCS 3:46
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	59 course, yeah, go. So
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	60
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	61 BCS 3:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	62 I was struck when I wrote the
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	63
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	64 BCS 3:56
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	65 postscript note to our last meeting
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	66
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	67 BCS 4:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	68 by how I was framing everything
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	69
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	70 BCS 4:04
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	71 in terms of,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	72
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	73 BCS 4:09
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	74 well, actually, I don't even remember the last note.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	75
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	76 Speaker 2 4:12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	77 Hang on a second. Maybe I should take a look at it. I should was it email? Probably, I
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	78
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	79 HST 4:18
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	80 believe. Well, I'm sorry if it wasn't emailed, then I don't have it. But that doesn't mean that it's not worth looking at. So
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	81
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	82 BCS 4:31
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	83 I'm desperately
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	84
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	85 HST 4:41
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	86 waiting I gather from Jim that some progress has been made on the map project,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	87
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	88 BCS 4:52
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	89 on which project the
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	90
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	91 HST 4:53
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	92 Save Brian's Mac project?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	93
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	94 Speaker 2 4:57
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	95 Oh, yes. I. Not enough to have the Mac saved.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	96
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	97 HST 5:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	98 Well, he was hopeful of his next meeting with you, but maybe it didn't happen that way. So when did I Okay? Here we are. Call this week. No, that was quick. Thought it says, Oh,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	99
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	100 BCS 5:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	101 that's it, okay, right,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	102
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	103 BCS 5:26
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	104 all right, sorry, yeah, I've got it. I
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	105
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	106 BCS 5:43
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	107 uh, right?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	108
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	109 BCS 5:46
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	110 So, as in the first paragraph, I say
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	111
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	112 Speaker 2 5:50
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	113 call these two historical and metaphysical approaches, right? And what I have not done is read any so what you think you have, or what you know that you have, is something like version 11. Is that
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	114
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	115 HST 6:08
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	116 right? That's That's correct. 2009 version 11, which I would say in terms of this dichotomy, is entirely the historical approach, okay? And I think that's consistent with the note at the top, which says, In previous versions of this, I tried to produce a metaphysics which would underpin what I'm talking about, but didn't get far enough to make it worth reproducing, or something like that.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	117
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	118 BCS 6:38
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	119 And I did say in previous versions of this,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	120
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	121 HST 6:41
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	122 I believe, so let me just get the fact of the matter in front of me, which it nearly is.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	123
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	124 BCS 6:55
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	125 Right. Wait a minute, I'm just Looking at the wrong place. I
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	126
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	127 HST 7:37
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	128 Okay, I think it's this one. Yes, it is.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	129
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	130 HST 7:46
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	131 A number of manuscripts have been circulated under this title over the last 15 years. Right? This one lacks any sketch of a worldview exhibiting the characteristics described, I presume that means described below, as it were, somewhat in response to the first version, which tried to provide such a view without explanation of what was interesting or mattered about it. If it seems worthwhile, I may someday incorporate all the various versions into a single, long, it says short monograph,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	132
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	133 BCS 8:27
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	134 stereograph,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	135
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	136 BCS 8:28
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	137 yes, something like that,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	138
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	139 Speaker 2 8:33
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	140 right? Okay, well, that's very helpful, actually, to me, Bob, thank you for finding that. Yes, I think that longer monograph yet to be produced, longer monograph is what I feel as if we're aiming it.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	141
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	142 BCS 8:52
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	143 And I don't actually know
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	144
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	145 BCS 8:56
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	146 whether I
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	147
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	148 Speaker 2 8:58
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	149 made any attempt to say that these lead to the same view.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	150
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	151 BCS 9:10
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	152 I have actually thought about that.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	153
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	154 Speaker 2 9:17
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	155 So let me actually recite from memory four or five sentences, and tell me if they ring a bell. If you were Have you ever read them
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	156
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	157 BCS 9:29
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	158 go something like this? Start at the beginning.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	159
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	160 BCS 9:33
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	161 That is,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	162
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	163 Speaker 2 9:36
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	164 start at what those who'd like to start at the beginning. Start with
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	165
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	166 BCS 9:46
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	167 bosons, fermions,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	168
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	169 BCS 9:49
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	170 quarks,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	171
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	172 BCS 9:53
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	173 assemblages,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	174
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	175 BCS 9:57
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	176 pressed into atoms and molecules and I.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	177
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	178 BCS 10:01
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	179 DNA and so on, as it were. And
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	180
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	181 BCS 10:04
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	182 then the second paragraph, saying,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	183
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	184 BCS 10:13
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	185 of course, something like that's i
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	186
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	187 BCS 10:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	188 is not a beginning. Many will argue, whatever,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	189
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	190 BCS 10:34
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	191 and and
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	192
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	193 Speaker 2 10:35
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	194 then something like but actually, it doesn't matter where we start, we'll end up in the same place.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	195
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	196 BCS 10:46
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	197 So in the media there, there would be something like
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	198
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	199 BCS 10:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	200 other people would say, start with stories
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	201
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	202 BCS 10:56
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	203 or something like that. Anyway,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	204
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	205 HST 10:58
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	206 I see what you're saying. Okay. I mean, I think it's important that you well, it changes the where you go next to have something like the stories line, because otherwise it's all just about where you cut the physics. And that, I think, is, is is not enough. That's just what I think of as I had this version of this conversation last week with my redder, my regular Quaker interlocutor, right there. There are these two questions, which I believe I which I tend to attribute to Kant, but I may get wrong. Why is there something rather than nothing, and how would I live my life? Most you know, and if you talk to Dominicans, for instance, they will happily talk about one or the other, but usually find it challenging to see what the relationship is between likely answers to the first and likely answers to the second, right? That's another way of saying what the what it is you're trying to bring together. I think, right? I
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	208 BCS 12:12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	209 think so. Yeah, I think so. And
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	210
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	211 Speaker 2 12:19
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	212 I think what I put in the note after the historical approach
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	213
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	214 BCS 12:26
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	215 is sort of a story about
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	216
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	217 BCS 12:32
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	218 how Our understanding of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	219
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	220 BCS 12:38
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	221 framions and bosons as it were, I has
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	222
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	223 Speaker 2 12:40
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	224 been
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	225
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	226 BCS 12:49
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	227 pressed into
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	228
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	229 BCS 12:50
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	230 service as a grounds for normativity and
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	231
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	232 BCS 12:57
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	233 maybe objectivity and so on and so forth.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	234
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	235 BCS 13:01
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	236 I don't think successfully, but
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	237
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	238 HST 13:06
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	239 there is that's, that's, that's really the, that's the, the first large paragraph in the email right,
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	241 BCS 13:15
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	242 which I've now buried under lots of windows. Well, I deep,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	243
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	244 HST 13:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	245 the pure mechanism of classical science, then rationality, with reference to frigate logic, then normativity, and the current paradigm of deriving it from evolutionary field,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	246
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	247 BCS 13:31
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	248 etc, right?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	249
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	250 BCS 13:42
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	251 Yeah. So then
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	252
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	253 BCS 13:52
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	254 the argument would go something like this, That
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	255
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	256 BCS 14:02
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	257 the only tenable version of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	258
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	259 BCS 14:18
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	260 the well, either
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	261
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	262 BCS 14:26
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	263 the only tenable version of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	264
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	265 BCS 14:28
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	266 the metaphysical approach,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	267
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	268 BCS 14:36
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	269 well, sorry,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	270
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	271 BCS 14:38
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	272 The only tenable version of both approaches
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	273
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	274 BCS 14:42
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	275 ends up being
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	276
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	278 indistinguishable from the tenable version of the other.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	279
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	280 BCS 14:56
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	281 And
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	282
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	283 BCS 14:58
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	284 one is.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	285
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	287 A crucial
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	290 factor in that, I believe, is that
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	292 BCS 15:13
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	293 both stories
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	294
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	295 BCS 15:16
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	296 have to do justice to our being here.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	297
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	298 HST 15:22
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	299 Yeah, I mean, I've been thinking, you know, the phrase, the thing, which, I think is very bizarrely labeled, the anthropic principle, right? Which says, which attempts to dissolve the first of the Kantian questions by saying, because if there weren't something, we wouldn't be here to ask the question, get over it.
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	301 Speaker 2 15:45
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	302 Yes, but I think that the instruction is misapplied radically because they try to understand what the world needs to be like in order to support
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	304 BCS 16:01
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	305 life or inquiry or something like that.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	306
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	307 HST 16:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	308 Yeah. I mean, yeah, certainly. The the what little I remember of the time I heard somebody talk about this at length was Planck's constant is what it is. And the fact that if you varied it by not very much in either direction, nothing would work. Isn't something that needs explanation, because it evidently is the case, right? And I mean, yes, exactly you, you, you know it is at least a minor theoretical interest to establish what the what the bounding box is, right, in which we would still be here to ask that question. But having done that, there's nothing more to be said, right? But I think you're so, I mean, I don't think that just that that changes the the availability of of both projects, essentially, I
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	310 Speaker 2 17:06
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	311 think that's right. And I I actually think, you know, this is, well, I'm going to have to agree to the long rather than short, um, assuming if I go down this pathway, but, um, I actually think the fact well as I've, as I put it, which is transparent to nobody, the ontological warrant for the epistemic fact that we Use differential equations
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	314 to express physical laws
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abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	316 BCS 17:39
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	317 is actually, I mean,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	318
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	319 Speaker 2 17:43
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	320 I don't know if I said this in the objects, but, but anyway, underlies the Diocese of the world, which I think is fundamental to
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	321
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	322 BCS 17:50
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	323 consciousness and self and various things like
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	324
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	325 HST 17:55
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	326 that. But because of the uncertainty. No, not the uncertainty because, I mean, is this what I remember from the objects book, which I've already apologized for, is very little is about the importance of sloth.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	327
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	328 BCS 18:09
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	329 Yeah, no, that's a different thing.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	330
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	331 HST 18:11
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	332 That is a different thing. Okay, never mind then, wrestleman, what's the
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	333
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	334 Speaker 2 18:24
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	335 press on regardless? Yeah, I'm not sure I should accept it regardless just now, but,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	336
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	337 BCS 18:37
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	338 yeah, the Dyches stuff is, I think, important to
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	339
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	340 BCS 18:41
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	341 to self
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	342
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	343 Speaker 2 18:44
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	344 and something else that's interesting. This is going to sound a little bit like a non sequitur, but,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	345
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	346 BCS 18:52
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	347 but I think it's not for obvious reasons.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	348
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	349 BCS 18:54
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	350 The
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	351
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	352 BCS 18:57
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	353 fact that
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	354
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	355 BCS 19:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	356 llms And
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	357
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	358 BCS 19:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	359 the fact that llms are based on language
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	360
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	361 BCS 19:10
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	362 is, I think,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	363
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	364 Speaker 2 19:13
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	365 possibly consequential, but possibly not, the reason for their success. Because, I think the power of them stems from the fact that the
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	366
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	367 Speaker 2 19:34
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	368 relationality that they encode
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	369
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	370 BCS 19:39
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	371 is so stupefyingly huge that
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	372
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	373 Speaker 2 19:45
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	374 all the content of the state of the network is bizarrely non conceptual in the sense of that,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	375
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	376 HST 19:58
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	377 absolutely I. Mean they got somewhere by not being representational. Well, not sorry, but not being explicitly representational that no amount of additional funding to Doug Leonard and company would ever have gotten to Right, right. Exactly
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	378
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	379 BCS 20:21
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	380 how to say that? Well, is not trivial, but, but I completely agree,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	381
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	382 HST 20:26
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	383 yeah. I mean, it was, it was, you know, I just it would be useful in the, in the indefinitely, in foreseeable future, to have a conversation involving Fernando Pereira about this. Because,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	384
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	385 BCS 20:41
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	386 have you ever met Fernando? Not clear. Oh, yeah,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	387
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	388 BCS 20:44
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	389 I knew him.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	390
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	391 BCS 20:48
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	392 God knows if he was a student. But anyway, 100 years ago,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	393
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	394 HST 20:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	395 no, he was our student. So because I did his PhD oral, no, but I think he was, he was in California at the time of the oral so it's possible it doesn't matter. Anyway, he was here six months ago for a guest talk during our 60th anniversary celebrations. And the talk was interesting, but not great and not recorded, but lunch beforehand, which was just me and him and one other person, was hugely more valuable because he was expanding to a to an audience that could hear of the two of us on his anger about the fact about the impact of his own company's work. You know, indirectly in terms of open AI, but, but, you know, in chat, GPT and so on, because he's, he's recently changed within Google being responsible for the the natural language work to being responsible for the sort of theory practice interface within Google, and he's very angry about
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	396
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	397 BCS 22:09
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	398 the way in which
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	399
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	400 HST 22:12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	401 people are treating the natural language problem as having now been solved and or being soluble by only by the technologies of llms and but what he did for us in that conversation, and I wish I had recorded it, was give me a much clearer sense of the scale of the the base model, and also the scale of the priming that it gets in order to make it a question. Answer, yeah. What's
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	402
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	403 BCS 22:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	404 that? Called
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	405
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	406 HST 22:53
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	407 the prompt? It's not the prompt, but it's something prompt engineering, yeah, prompted, yeah, the prompt engineering is, there are three aspects of this. I think there's, there is the base model,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	408
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	409 BCS 23:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	410 right, which is, which is something like
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	411
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	412 BCS 23:11
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	413 100 billion gigabytes or something,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	414
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	415 HST 23:12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	416 yeah, it's, well, it's, it's certainly that many dimensions. And I don't know, you know, there's this whole business about projecting to lower dimensionalities for use
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	417
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	418 BCS 23:24
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	419 that I don't understand, but
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	420
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	421 HST 23:27
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	422 there's the base model. There is the make this a question answer. You know, make a question answer from this base model, right? And there's what do. What do we add to the to the to the conjunction of those two, from your from your question, from their question, right?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	423
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	424 BCS 23:48
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	425 And is it a third of those, what's called proptening?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	426
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	427 HST 23:51
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	428 I think so. Okay, but I could be wrong.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	429
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	430 BCS 23:58
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	431 Doesn't matter anyway, no
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	432
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	433 BCS 24:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	434 more than, yeah, anyway,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	435
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	436 BCS 24:02
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	437 and you know, the,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	438
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	439 HST 24:04
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	440 even though, the the the it's the interesting part, in a way, is, in a sense, from from the performance point of view, is not the base model, but it's the the thing you make a question answer out of it with, right, right? Um, because that's what you that's what the people who don't have any money scrimp on, skimp on, right? And why you then get things which lie and fabulate and contradict themselves, and in general, or, you know, start imitating witty ticky Ray rather than a human being, or whatever it might be. Because actually, there's another kind of farm, rather than the GPU farm, that you need to build some. Thing like, as successful as it is, that's chat GPT, which is a huge farm of ordinary human beings asking questions and feeding back to the engineers the wrong answers and saying, you know, this is you've got to, you've got to stop this kind of answer. All right.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	441
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	442 BCS 25:21
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	443 Yeah, that's not a trivial and
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	444
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	445 HST 25:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	446 that's an open, ended and in principle, impossible task,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	447
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	448 BCS 25:28
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	449 right? Interesting.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	450
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	451 Speaker 2 25:32
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	452 Anyway, that was all a total footnote. You could have expressed your thought at the beginning of your
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	453
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	454 BCS 25:40
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	455 what you just said that
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	456
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	457 BCS 25:42
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	458 that's what people who scrimp skimp on, yes,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	459
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	460 HST 25:48
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	461 something like that, anyway, but, but so I think, from your perspective, it's really, it's really GPT three that you're interested in, which is the base model. It's now GPT four, and they won't tell you anything about that. The only thing we have any information about is GPT three, right? Well, that's the only thing I've seen published information about from Google Anyway,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	462
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	463 Speaker 2 26:15
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	464 yes, I mean, I think that's open. AI, sorry, yeah, from open. Ai, yeah. I think that's what I was just talking about. I mean, it doesn't prove that I'm not interested in the other ones.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	465
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	466 HST 26:27
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	467 But, I mean, it's there, for instance, that we come back to the thing that you said, which I think is why I think Dyches is certainly in there is not only do they not know that there's a world that not only does that, does that 100 million gigabytes, whatever it is, million gigabytes, what it doesn't have is any obligation to the World about which right that is some kind of representation, right?
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	468
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	469 BCS 27:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	470 But that
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	471
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	472 HST 27:08
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	473 you know that there are that that that responsibility can be
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	474
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	475 BCS 27:19
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	476 decomposed in any particular instance,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	477
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	478 BCS 27:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	479 to being only about a certain small part of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	480
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	481 HST 27:30
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	482 which amounts, I guess in many cases, to some kind of story about Reference and dices. And it does. It does. I am tempted to bring Jonathan back into this again, Jonathan Reese, because of his, what, you know, what he's been spending the last two or three years on, is trying to articulate a story about reference which is simply defined in terms of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	483
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	484 BCS 28:01
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	485 of of propositions
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	486
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	487 HST 28:05
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	488 that include this are vulnerable to changes in that, that is that include this referring expression are vulnerable to changes in that bit of the world as a way of talking about, what does that referring expression refer to? Well, because he's a radical empiricist. Basically, he wants right anyway. Sorry, that is taking us away now.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	489
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	490 BCS 28:35
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	491 No, no, not entirely, because the I
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	492
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	493 BCS 28:47
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	494 there was a title of a talk I was thinking of putting together, sort of
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	495
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	496 BCS 28:53
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	497 something like the nonverbal meaning of words,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	498
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	499 BCS 29:00
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	500 if we talk about,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	501
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	502 BCS 29:07
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	503 not only about Sussman, but let's say
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	504
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	505 BCS 29:12
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	506 and what he meant by
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	507
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	508 BCS 29:20
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	509 empirical or something.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	510
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	511 BCS 29:23
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	512 But just we talk about,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	513
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	514 BCS 29:32
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	515 well, the things we're talking about, the three, the three parts,
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	516
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	517 Speaker 2 29:38
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	518 the base model, the delta that turns it into a question answering machine and the prompt engineering that turns a particular prompt into a particular prompt, basically particular question into a particular prompt. Say it's.
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	519
abb1b1e2f6fc trying alternative sources of free speech-to-text Henry S Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> parents: diff changeset	520 Transcribed by https://otter.ai

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